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15:00 Wed 11 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
Don't get me wrong about this but the tournies are getting less and less popular by the day, i've seen quite a few with barely 20 people in now - having 14 tournies of each a week, has made them less special. I don't get to see the lunch time ones very often but they must be even worse than the evening ones, well fuddles won original one every day for a week now, so there can't be much competeition in them. I propose we go back to one a day.
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15:46 Wed 11 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
nope! bacause if fuddle is not on then a newbie could even win! personnaly i think there should be more tournys! whats your views ?
15:56 Wed 11 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
more arcade snooker tournys, arcade snooker is the way forward, av played it
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16:08 Wed 11 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
I agree actually. I miss the old days where there was a few tournaments a week. That made winning one a bit more special and it meant more people would want to enter because they didn't come around so often.
Look at the pool site, people have won 100+ tournaments and it just devalues them. It's like, what's the point anymore?
The most tournaments won statistic is of little importance anymore because if a good player (fuddle for example) can play at dinner when little or no competition is there, it just becomes pointless.
It's like sticking Ronnie o'sullivan in an amateur snooker hall tournament and giving him credit in his professional profile for number of tournaments won, why bother?
Look at the pool site, people have won 100+ tournaments and it just devalues them. It's like, what's the point anymore?
The most tournaments won statistic is of little importance anymore because if a good player (fuddle for example) can play at dinner when little or no competition is there, it just becomes pointless.
It's like sticking Ronnie o'sullivan in an amateur snooker hall tournament and giving him credit in his professional profile for number of tournaments won, why bother?
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14:03 Thu 12 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
finally someone who gets the point! I won 40 of my tournies back in the old days, but i rarely bother entering now because most of the good players arn't fussed anymore. Another idea, maybe have different tournies for different rank levels.
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14:07 Thu 12 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
I would like that it would actually make them fun, i hate playing newbies and intermediates as they are either boring to play against or they just annoy you, or try to time you out
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15:08 Thu 12 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
i dont like that idea, because the only tournament i can enter is the 7:00 one and if it gets dropped i cant enter any tournaments.
17:43 Thu 12 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
not everyone can make tourney's at certain parts of the day so i disagree... the more the better
Edited at 22:44 Thu 12/04/07 (BST)
Edited at 22:44 Thu 12/04/07 (BST)
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06:37 Fri 13 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
yeah theres too many tornies now pas me and boz were up there with the most tornie wins but now its gonna drop because of the 4 a day put it bak to 2
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06:45 Fri 13 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
I think its fine as it is. pas7680 have you ever thought that fuddle might win those tournaments because he is actually really good? I have even seen you in the tournaments he enters and he still beats a good player like you, so there must be some competition.
It also gives players of a lesser ability a chance to win if there are more tournaments a day. I think it gets a bit boring just the 'elite' players winning tournys day in and day out
It also gives players of a lesser ability a chance to win if there are more tournaments a day. I think it gets a bit boring just the 'elite' players winning tournys day in and day out
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06:55 Fri 13 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
I dissagree. I have moderated/entered recent tournaments and i see no difference in the amount of players entered per tournament since the new timetable (accept around christmas/new year time when it it always at it's most busy).
Actually i have noticed a large increase in the quality of snooker entrants within these tournaments. I can't even get past quarter finals in arcade anymore!
There are more chances of other users finding a decent timeslot of which to join and the 12pm and 8pm tournaments are still there (although i feel these should swaped daily as was with the previous timetable).
To pas7680:
Lets forget the 6pm and 10pm tournaments for a moment and have a look at the original snooker setup.
On the previous timetable we had 12pm and 8pm slots as said above. Original snooker moved between these two slots daily so users who prefer at least one of these slots can have a chance to join either everyday or every other day. Currently the original tournaments are set to both these slots each day so the only difference it should make tournament demand are those users who could only join say the 12pm torn can now join everyday rather than every second day. Theoretically the only effect the current tournament should have on original snooker players is to allow previous player to join more often.
As for arcade snooker, IMO pretty much all the better players are joining making it more of a challange. Ideally i'd prefer a 4pm rather than a 6pm or maybe rotating the slots between the game types as before.
To smurfdude:
I'm not sure we are really at the point of comparing the timetable to that on funkypool. 4 tournaments a day? We are not leading up to one every hour.
Actually i have noticed a large increase in the quality of snooker entrants within these tournaments. I can't even get past quarter finals in arcade anymore!
There are more chances of other users finding a decent timeslot of which to join and the 12pm and 8pm tournaments are still there (although i feel these should swaped daily as was with the previous timetable).
To pas7680:
Lets forget the 6pm and 10pm tournaments for a moment and have a look at the original snooker setup.
On the previous timetable we had 12pm and 8pm slots as said above. Original snooker moved between these two slots daily so users who prefer at least one of these slots can have a chance to join either everyday or every other day. Currently the original tournaments are set to both these slots each day so the only difference it should make tournament demand are those users who could only join say the 12pm torn can now join everyday rather than every second day. Theoretically the only effect the current tournament should have on original snooker players is to allow previous player to join more often.
As for arcade snooker, IMO pretty much all the better players are joining making it more of a challange. Ideally i'd prefer a 4pm rather than a 6pm or maybe rotating the slots between the game types as before.
To smurfdude:
I'm not sure we are really at the point of comparing the timetable to that on funkypool. 4 tournaments a day? We are not leading up to one every hour.
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06:55 Fri 13 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
What about those who couldn't join these slots for certain reasons (i.e. at work)?
Are you saying we should reduce the ammount so that the "usual" players could join and make it better value to them?
The reason why you are finding it more difficult to win a tournament these days is because other better players now have a chance aswell as the previous ones!
Pas, you say there is possibly no more competition in tournaments yet you say you are finding it hard to win one?
As said original tournaments are pretty much unchanged so you should be able to join.
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I agree actually. I miss the old days where there was a few tournaments a week. That made winning one a bit more special and it meant more people would want to enter because they didn't come around so often.
What about those who couldn't join these slots for certain reasons (i.e. at work)?
Are you saying we should reduce the ammount so that the "usual" players could join and make it better value to them?
The reason why you are finding it more difficult to win a tournament these days is because other better players now have a chance aswell as the previous ones!
Pas, you say there is possibly no more competition in tournaments yet you say you are finding it hard to win one?
As said original tournaments are pretty much unchanged so you should be able to join.
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08:32 Fri 13 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
I actualy preferred it back in the day with tournies at 19:30! That was the time when people were most on and it is a fair time anyhow.
I mean the tourny at 21:00 isn't proving that popular is it?
Edited at 13:33 Fri 13/04/07 (BST)
I mean the tourny at 21:00 isn't proving that popular is it?
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14:45 Fri 13 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
first off i'd like to point out all this only applies to original, arcade has a much bigger following and therefore needs more tournies. Farren how can you say that the entree's hasn't dropped? before the extra tournies were added, the evening original would usually get 40-70 players most nights, now 30 is usually the most we'll see. Magic man - i'm not saying fuddle isn't good, in fact he's currently playing much better than me and has beaten me numerous times. All i'm saying is that the 1pm tournie has always had a poor entry rate, and it allows top players to rack up loads of tourny wins with no effort at all. and knowing fuddle he'll agree. Farren, i never said i was finding it hard to win one, when i do play which isn't very often now, i nearly always get to the semi's / final. finally your spot on ste, the 7.30pm (gmt) tournies were the best by miles, the 9pm ones don't finish till gone 11pm and that just daft for most people.
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16:57 Fri 13 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
actually pas might have a point here, i just saw that on the 9:00 snooker tourney, it went round 1, then the quarter finals.
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05:59 Sat 14 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
Im agreeing with most of you. When there were a limited amount of tournies, winning 1 would be a great accomlishment and made your stats look a lot better. But with the extra 1s, a tourney win isnt even that good because there are more chances and less people in them.
Hopefully it dosent go like pool has gone!
Hopefully it dosent go like pool has gone!
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06:26 Sat 14 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
To sean_paul (1st post):
You point out a good problem. You say you can't play in any other tournaments accept if it's at 7:00? Others would feel the same although the only way to get around this problem would be to create slots for everyone's needs which can be completely different for others! Limiting it would be unfair on other users including you, which i'm trying to explain.
To sam_nufc:
Is that really a valid reason? No-one can stay top forever which is why this tournament schedule should give others a better chance.
To magic_man:
I agree with what you say, not everyone is equal in playing ability. Fuddle hasn't won because there is no competition, hes won because hes a good player. believe me, i'v played him. So should we drop the tournaments just so he has less chance of winning?
To pas7680:
Please explain to me the logic in which you think the current tournament schedule would effect the number of players who play the tournaments. Your proberbly right in saying there are less entrants nowadays but what evidence can you show that this was down to more tournaments? I mean it was busy when the schedual was in place beforehand so why suddenly drop now?
Also you say fuddle has won tournaments because there is less competition? What a load of crap! Was this the case when you were winning them all? No-one had a hissy fit then did they?
To sean_paul (2nd post):
It has not always been like this, only recently which is why concluding that dropping the newer torns possibly won't have an effect.
To lfc4eva:
We only have 2 extra tournaments a day, hardly de-values it a lot does it? As said don't compare it to that of pool, they are in a completely different league. Also with other players able to enter now, would they agree with you too if they won?
I'm not dissagreeing that the current timetable is as good as it can be but i do thing dropping torns is a bit drastic.
You point out a good problem. You say you can't play in any other tournaments accept if it's at 7:00? Others would feel the same although the only way to get around this problem would be to create slots for everyone's needs which can be completely different for others! Limiting it would be unfair on other users including you, which i'm trying to explain.
To sam_nufc:
Is that really a valid reason? No-one can stay top forever which is why this tournament schedule should give others a better chance.
To magic_man:
I agree with what you say, not everyone is equal in playing ability. Fuddle hasn't won because there is no competition, hes won because hes a good player. believe me, i'v played him. So should we drop the tournaments just so he has less chance of winning?
To pas7680:
Please explain to me the logic in which you think the current tournament schedule would effect the number of players who play the tournaments. Your proberbly right in saying there are less entrants nowadays but what evidence can you show that this was down to more tournaments? I mean it was busy when the schedual was in place beforehand so why suddenly drop now?
Also you say fuddle has won tournaments because there is less competition? What a load of crap! Was this the case when you were winning them all? No-one had a hissy fit then did they?
To sean_paul (2nd post):
It has not always been like this, only recently which is why concluding that dropping the newer torns possibly won't have an effect.
To lfc4eva:
We only have 2 extra tournaments a day, hardly de-values it a lot does it? As said don't compare it to that of pool, they are in a completely different league. Also with other players able to enter now, would they agree with you too if they won?
I'm not dissagreeing that the current timetable is as good as it can be but i do thing dropping torns is a bit drastic.
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15:49 Sat 14 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
lol, why do my posts always cause an uproar lol.
Farren it's simple more tournies = more chances to play = less people play in them due to the extra availablity.
You keep going on about how the extra tournies are for letting others have a chance, looking at the members in the various tables, 90% are in the UK, therefore most are at work/school/uni/etc, during the day & don't want to be playing in a tourny till gone 11PM.
The tourny schedule seems to be arranged to allow people to play in both (or just to save on server pressure) but i doubt too many people do.
Also as it's been easter break and all the students have been off, were's the extra players???
I'd love to see logs of the server traffic, nik if your reading...as there really does seem to be a overall drop in people online.
If you can't back your argument up with figures Farren, i don't see anyone taken notice of your points.
Farren it's simple more tournies = more chances to play = less people play in them due to the extra availablity.
You keep going on about how the extra tournies are for letting others have a chance, looking at the members in the various tables, 90% are in the UK, therefore most are at work/school/uni/etc, during the day & don't want to be playing in a tourny till gone 11PM.
The tourny schedule seems to be arranged to allow people to play in both (or just to save on server pressure) but i doubt too many people do.
Also as it's been easter break and all the students have been off, were's the extra players???
I'd love to see logs of the server traffic, nik if your reading...as there really does seem to be a overall drop in people online.
If you can't back your argument up with figures Farren, i don't see anyone taken notice of your points.
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15:55 Sat 14 Apr 07 (BST) [Link]
One final idea...as the tournies are here to stay maybe... how about a points ranking system based on amount of entrants against ranking of those playing. This way win a small tourny with few good players and get small point score, win a bigger touny with plenty of quality and get a higher rating.
p.s. i'm off to make a graph, showing qty of players in the tournies at what time of day.
p.s. i'm off to make a graph, showing qty of players in the tournies at what time of day.
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