Really appreciate feedback on foul on black guys

amazin how some queries completely veer of course.....

accept now that this is a MINOR flaw in the game that doesnt annoy people as much as me........

just another quick query though.......

are respotted blacks random??????

the last two games that i have come from behind to level scores by potting the black, my opponent gets first shot therefore gaining the advantage (everyone knows a respotted black is virtually unmissable).

doesnt really matter in a friendly or a ranked game because it is swings and roundabouts, but you could go out of a tourney just by not being selected to take the first shot.....

is there a way to take this randomness (dont even know if that is a proper word lol) away....

one suggestion i would have that might work (if it is easily implemented) is if the black is to be respotted then to see who goes first ..........why not lag like in carom......that way, then its the player who WINS first shot.

thoughts please

okay so now you want to deviate from how "real" snooker is, when your last thread was about wanting to be able to call frame like you can in "real" snooker

okay but on to the main issue, yes i think it is stupid as it is, i even prefered the old system when it wasnt random, it just went to the guy not at the table, so at least you knew if you needed to get a snooker or not. but a lag is a good idea, id like to see it

It is random. It was changed not long ago due to popular demand ( http://www.funkysnooker.com/viewTopic.do?topicid=4810) and brought up again quite recently ( http://www.funkysnooker.com/viewTopic.do?topicid=5098 ). Originally it was the opponent who got the respotted black. The current system emulates real life where a coin is flipped. It should not (in my opinion) be changed to be a skill shot which would favour the more experienced player.

i think all the above goes without saying, however, does giving a very easy shot to win the frame out randomly not favour the less skillful player? There will always be a favouritism. my opinion is that the re-spot is so easy to pot, it is a necessity to put another element of skill into it - a lag -

True, there is no system that is completely fair. However in such cases isn't it always better to follow the official rules of snooker which have stood the test of time?

I just noticed that I forgot to point out that, in the above rule, the word 'choice' is significant. I think that, if there were to be any change at all, the winner of the 'coin toss' should be asked whether they wish to take the first shot or force the opponent to do so.

This of course would be quite a significant change (which is probably why the compromise solution was implemented)

Good point there buddytobud, it we want it to be perfect, then a player should be picked randomly to choose who will shoot first.

May I also remind damee's very good idea, posted in http://www.funkysnooker.com/viewTopic.do?topicid=4810&page=2 , which is to not allow players to pot black on the first shot after the black is respotted?
Of course it would limit the freedom of choice in your playing style, but practically it would be much closer to reality than it is now.

I personally support that idea, but I can easily understand that the solution is not acceptable because of its restrictiveness compared to snooker rules.

Why not just break rules completely and have a lag for it?? Would be based on skill, not on luck. Ok it breaks rules, but it is so easy to pot off the spot, it seems that skill should win the game, not the computer randomly choosing the winner.

That or, a far funner idea, the black must be doubled

Depending on who takes the last shot, the opponent takes the Re-spot black.

But if you foul and pot the black at the same time, depending on the scores, you opponent could win, of the black could get re-spotted if you draw.

But i think if your winning by quite a bit the game just automatically ends.

i brought this up last time because i was so frustrated at havin 5 in a row go against me, i like the point buddy brought up it would be good to decide if you win the flip, but in theory 99% would take and pot on.

i would like one person to take the shot everytime, and i agree that the person who is not at the table should take, buddy mentioned about the more experianced player having an advantage but i disagree ( sorry buddy m8 ) because its the same as now you see your 27 behind 27 on and you choose between hopin for respot or getting the snooker, in real life snooker players would look for the snooker wouldnt they, and if we knew the guy not at table will get respot we would look 4 snooker which is good fun anyway.

init

i think they should hold a petition thread, for and against, and let the people decide!!

all i can say is its not how many breaths u take in life its the moments that take ure breath away.

Fair point, but maybe the reason that in real life players will look for the snooker is because they don't know who will be taking the respot? I don't know to be honest but even so I think the current system is fairer than before - but that's just my opinion.

at the end of the day things dont change by staying the same...

all im gonna say is if ur going in the right direction.... just keep on walking

o yer, one last thing, positive attitude = positive results

Can you also click the edit button on your post next time, insted of posting again.

I still think the lag option is the fairest way, because its unfair if you cleared with a 70 break for example to tie only to lose it on a respot which is decided by luck.