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08:48 Mon 12 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
Upon suggestion from Blutch made a new thread for this.
Basically the idea is to have a stat in the carom statistics which shows a players recent form, eg Success Percentage in last 500 shots.
The current success percentage is for a player's whole career, which doesn't reflect a player's improvement over time. For people who have had tens of thousands of shots, it would take hundreds of successes with very few misses to improve the success % by even 0.1.
As well as this, players like myself who have never reset will have their percentage affected by the time taken to learn to play the game. If your first 1000 shots are only hitting at 10% or something because you don't know the game this will have a permanent effect on your success percentage.
The new stat would avoid that and give a better reflection of a players true abilities, but with 500 shots a few flukey runs wouldnt bump you up massively.
I expect the data is not available that would mean this could be implemented immediately, but if players were told it was going to be, im sure that those who liked the idea wouldnt mind playing a few extra games to get their 500 shots in...
This has already had some positive feedback but would love some more thoughts.
Basically the idea is to have a stat in the carom statistics which shows a players recent form, eg Success Percentage in last 500 shots.
The current success percentage is for a player's whole career, which doesn't reflect a player's improvement over time. For people who have had tens of thousands of shots, it would take hundreds of successes with very few misses to improve the success % by even 0.1.
As well as this, players like myself who have never reset will have their percentage affected by the time taken to learn to play the game. If your first 1000 shots are only hitting at 10% or something because you don't know the game this will have a permanent effect on your success percentage.
The new stat would avoid that and give a better reflection of a players true abilities, but with 500 shots a few flukey runs wouldnt bump you up massively.
I expect the data is not available that would mean this could be implemented immediately, but if players were told it was going to be, im sure that those who liked the idea wouldnt mind playing a few extra games to get their 500 shots in...
This has already had some positive feedback but would love some more thoughts.
09:13 Mon 12 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
"The current success percentage is for a player's whole career, which doesn't reflect a player's improvement over time. For people who have had tens of thousands of shots, it would take hundreds of successes with very few misses to improve the success % by even 0.1. "
Trueee dat!
I think this is ideal for the game of carom and I shouldnt imagine that it would be too hard to implement into the game
Carom needs something like this as Adam has said...it takes an age to progress after a while.
Sorts the men from the boys!
Also I personally feel that this feature would result in fewer players re-seting or deactivating as a fair few purely do it on the basis of carom success %. With this new feature you sort of wouldnt need to wipe your account
Trueee dat!
I think this is ideal for the game of carom and I shouldnt imagine that it would be too hard to implement into the game
Carom needs something like this as Adam has said...it takes an age to progress after a while.
Sorts the men from the boys!
Also I personally feel that this feature would result in fewer players re-seting or deactivating as a fair few purely do it on the basis of carom success %. With this new feature you sort of wouldnt need to wipe your account
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09:45 Mon 12 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
Carom needs something like this as Adam has said...it takes an age to progress after a while.
Sorts the men from the boys!
LMFAOOO!!
cue_power said:
Carom needs something like this as Adam has said...it takes an age to progress after a while.
Sorts the men from the boys!
LMFAOOO!!
11:58 Mon 12 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
Actually I think it would be nice to have it not only for carom, but for all kinds of games, and it could show all the stats for the given last number of games.
I could imagine a drop-down list on the top of someone's profile, where you can select "all", "last 1000 games", "last 500 games", "last 6 months", "last month", and so on... Or simply tabs.
However, I'm afraid this won't happen, as it would probably add a huge additional charge to the server, either by saving all this data redundantly in the database or by computing it on-the-fly.
I could imagine a drop-down list on the top of someone's profile, where you can select "all", "last 1000 games", "last 500 games", "last 6 months", "last month", and so on... Or simply tabs.
However, I'm afraid this won't happen, as it would probably add a huge additional charge to the server, either by saving all this data redundantly in the database or by computing it on-the-fly.
15:02 Mon 12 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
v good idea
i had about 20% after my first 100 games (only with dest)
and now i have 40%
i had about 20% after my first 100 games (only with dest)
and now i have 40%
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18:55 Tue 13 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
The problem with the bit I highlighted is that some people are more of safety players, so unless safety success could be brought in too; it just simply wouldn't work.
blutch said:
Actually I think it would be nice to have it not only for carom, but for all kinds of games, and it could show all the stats for the given last number of games.
I could imagine a drop-down list on the top of someone's profile, where you can select "all", "last 1000 games", "last 500 games", "last 6 months", "last month", and so on... Or simply tabs.
However, I'm afraid this won't happen, as it would probably add a huge additional charge to the server, either by saving all this data redundantly in the database or by computing it on-the-fly.
I could imagine a drop-down list on the top of someone's profile, where you can select "all", "last 1000 games", "last 500 games", "last 6 months", "last month", and so on... Or simply tabs.
However, I'm afraid this won't happen, as it would probably add a huge additional charge to the server, either by saving all this data redundantly in the database or by computing it on-the-fly.
The problem with the bit I highlighted is that some people are more of safety players, so unless safety success could be brought in too; it just simply wouldn't work.
01:45 Wed 14 Jul 10 (BST) [Link] I didn't mean to add success % to other game types, I meant to see all existing statistics for a "last xxx" time period. For example win %, breaks, success & safety for killer, and so on.
sean_paul said:
The problem with the bit I highlighted is that some people are more of safety players, so unless safety success could be brought in too; it just simply wouldn't work.
18:59 Wed 14 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
Right ive been thinking...
Cue_power Carom -
Ranking 835.5 (3rd)
Maximum 875.1
Wins 1,691 (75.9%)
Losses 537 (24.1%)
Turn Success 10,730 of 22,252 (48.2%)
Last 500 shots 239 of 500 (48.2%)
Peak % of 500 60%
Greatest Run 12
Runs of 5+ 244
Runs of 10+ 6
Tournament Wins 46
The new ones in bold....could be in a little drop down menu under turn success? If users think it would be untidy or w/e then the features could be made optional?
The "Last 500 shots" would be the turn success in your last 500 shots obviously and it wouldnt be like when 500 shots are played it goes to 0 shots again, the 501st shot would still be counted from the previous 500, so it would be ongoing.
The new one I added "Peak % of 500" < Would represent your personal best success rate after any 500 shots.
I think adding these features would reduce the ongoing "fake newbie" arguements and would decrease the amount of old users making new accounts to determine their current success percentage.
Plus they would be like MEGA cool
P.S. Can someone let us no this time round if it will be implemented or not, I dont think you understand how needy we are (especially me).
I dont want a deadline for it to be implemented or anything just a yes or no will suit me fine
Cue_power Carom -
Ranking 835.5 (3rd)
Maximum 875.1
Wins 1,691 (75.9%)
Losses 537 (24.1%)
Turn Success 10,730 of 22,252 (48.2%)
Last 500 shots 239 of 500 (48.2%)
Peak % of 500 60%
Greatest Run 12
Runs of 5+ 244
Runs of 10+ 6
Tournament Wins 46
The new ones in bold....could be in a little drop down menu under turn success? If users think it would be untidy or w/e then the features could be made optional?
The "Last 500 shots" would be the turn success in your last 500 shots obviously and it wouldnt be like when 500 shots are played it goes to 0 shots again, the 501st shot would still be counted from the previous 500, so it would be ongoing.
The new one I added "Peak % of 500" < Would represent your personal best success rate after any 500 shots.
I think adding these features would reduce the ongoing "fake newbie" arguements and would decrease the amount of old users making new accounts to determine their current success percentage.
Plus they would be like MEGA cool
P.S. Can someone let us no this time round if it will be implemented or not, I dont think you understand how needy we are (especially me).
I dont want a deadline for it to be implemented or anything just a yes or no will suit me fine
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09:59 Sun 18 Jul 10 (BST) [Link]
I think thats a very good idea, because, as Adam mentioned peoples stats are affected by learning how to play the game.
For example, my arcade losses are around a thousand, if i had learned how to play the game properly before i had an account im sure they would be less, the way the stats are now it doesn't show form or improvement it just shows overall which is hard to contemplate in some cases.
blutch said:
Actually I think it would be nice to have it not only for carom, but for all kinds of games, and it could show all the stats for the given last number of games.
I could imagine a drop-down list on the top of someone's profile, where you can select "all", "last 1000 games", "last 500 games", "last 6 months", "last month", and so on... Or simply tabs.
However, I'm afraid this won't happen, as it would probably add a huge additional charge to the server, either by saving all this data redundantly in the database or by computing it on-the-fly.
I could imagine a drop-down list on the top of someone's profile, where you can select "all", "last 1000 games", "last 500 games", "last 6 months", "last month", and so on... Or simply tabs.
However, I'm afraid this won't happen, as it would probably add a huge additional charge to the server, either by saving all this data redundantly in the database or by computing it on-the-fly.
I think thats a very good idea, because, as Adam mentioned peoples stats are affected by learning how to play the game.
For example, my arcade losses are around a thousand, if i had learned how to play the game properly before i had an account im sure they would be less, the way the stats are now it doesn't show form or improvement it just shows overall which is hard to contemplate in some cases.
15:06 Wed 22 Sep 10 (BST) [Link]
i agree, its impossible for me to get my % up as i have never resetted since i started learning carom and i have now over 22000 shots. But if i reset i also lose my highest runs, etc.
So this would be a very good fix
So this would be a very good fix
19:33 Wed 22 Sep 10 (BST) [Link]
Well, since this post there has been a significant upgrade, so that would help, but while it would be nice, a stat like this doesn't have to be "live".
No reason why it couldn't be a daily calculation at a normally quiet time, say 4am.
blutch said:
However, I'm afraid this won't happen, as it would probably add a huge additional charge to the server, either by saving all this data redundantly in the database or by computing it on-the-fly.
Well, since this post there has been a significant upgrade, so that would help, but while it would be nice, a stat like this doesn't have to be "live".
No reason why it couldn't be a daily calculation at a normally quiet time, say 4am.
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