conceding 12point rule
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04:01 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
does any1 else think that the rule of 12 points or more from snookers should be brought into all games like it is in tournys....because u can be really far infront and people still will not concede
04:27 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
I don't agree with that, at least not exactly as it is implemented now in the tournaments.
The main reason this rule was added in the tournaments is that these matches have a time limit, therefore it prevents the loser from losing time for nothing.
Because this time limit doesn't exist in the other types of matches (friendlies as well as ranked), it's not so critical.
Furthermore, I find myself sometimes trying to get 3 or 4 snookers when I'm losing, if the balls are well set for it. On the other side, I find no problem when my opponent really tries to get snookers when he needs them.
Of course there are still cases when what you propose would be very useful, especially when your opponent is obviously not trying to get snookers. For such situations I'd not pronounce myself yet, but I'd wait more opinions to come in this topic.
In any case, if this had to be implemented in friendly and ranked matches, I'd change it a bit: the player who is leading by 12 points or more could choose to end the match (with an extra button or so), instead of being obliged to.
The main reason this rule was added in the tournaments is that these matches have a time limit, therefore it prevents the loser from losing time for nothing.
Because this time limit doesn't exist in the other types of matches (friendlies as well as ranked), it's not so critical.
Furthermore, I find myself sometimes trying to get 3 or 4 snookers when I'm losing, if the balls are well set for it. On the other side, I find no problem when my opponent really tries to get snookers when he needs them.
Of course there are still cases when what you propose would be very useful, especially when your opponent is obviously not trying to get snookers. For such situations I'd not pronounce myself yet, but I'd wait more opinions to come in this topic.
In any case, if this had to be implemented in friendly and ranked matches, I'd change it a bit: the player who is leading by 12 points or more could choose to end the match (with an extra button or so), instead of being obliged to.
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04:43 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
but if u do that dont u think the winning person will jus always end the match...so it may aswell be forced....u get me??
05:04 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
I personally would not always end it. In the case my opponent really has chances to get these snookers, it would not be fair-play from me to stop the game.
And I'm the kind of player for who being fair-play is the most important thing, even if in the end I could lose the game if I get snookered several times.
For this reason, I'm globally against the proposition, as I don't want a match to be ended automatically in that case, and if it's not ended automatically then the result could depend of one player's fair-play, which is obviously not a good option.
And I'm the kind of player for who being fair-play is the most important thing, even if in the end I could lose the game if I get snookered several times.
For this reason, I'm globally against the proposition, as I don't want a match to be ended automatically in that case, and if it's not ended automatically then the result could depend of one player's fair-play, which is obviously not a good option.
07:20 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
The last time this was discussed (can't find the thread!) the idea was well recieved based on the deficit being increased to 22 or 28 points, meaning more than 3 or four 7 point fouls were needed.
Also, unlike tournaments, if a player is on a break, this can continue as there is no time issue.
Also, unlike tournaments, if a player is on a break, this can continue as there is no time issue.
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07:39 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
*Bit of topic*
But why is it that 1 minute into your game and your opponent leaves while your on a brake that it comes up you have a bye? can be annoying when your on for a century or something.
But why is it that 1 minute into your game and your opponent leaves while your on a brake that it comes up you have a bye? can be annoying when your on for a century or something.
09:06 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
In a tournament match, if someone needs more than 12 snooker points, he loses automatically the match.
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what does the 12 point rule mean?
In a tournament match, if someone needs more than 12 snooker points, he loses automatically the match.
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09:49 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
ok then i accept maybe 12 points a lil 2 harsh...but maybe 16 or 20 points needed then
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10:04 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
Right i would like to see it implented between 25-30 points as it is too much for a player to catch up i think. Also i generally still play on when there is 3 reds left on table as their is still a half cent possible on the table.
I don't mind people carrying on with a couple of snookers needed but when your like 70 points in front with blue, pink and black left, then i just think its pointless them carrying on.
Agree with you there pal. Bit unsportsman like if only a couple of snookeres required. If we lose, we can always win more to get back.
I don't mind people carrying on with a couple of snookers needed but when your like 70 points in front with blue, pink and black left, then i just think its pointless them carrying on.
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I personally would not always end it. In the case my opponent really has chances to get these snookers, it would not be fair-play from me to stop the game.
And I'm the kind of player for who being fair-play is the most important thing, even if in the end I could lose the game if I get snookered several times.
And I'm the kind of player for who being fair-play is the most important thing, even if in the end I could lose the game if I get snookered several times.
Agree with you there pal. Bit unsportsman like if only a couple of snookeres required. If we lose, we can always win more to get back.
10:14 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
Right, I forgot about that idea, but I like it. I think any number above 22 is honest enough.
True, so do I. Should it be one more condition for the automatic ending of the frame?
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The last time this was discussed (can't find the thread!) the idea was well recieved based on the deficit being increased to 22 or 28 points, meaning more than 3 or four 7 point fouls were needed.
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Right i would like to see it implented between 25-30 points as it is too much for a player to catch up i think.
Right, I forgot about that idea, but I like it. I think any number above 22 is honest enough.
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Also i generally still play on when there is 3 reds left on table as their is still a half cent possible on the table.
True, so do I. Should it be one more condition for the automatic ending of the frame?
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10:27 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
True, so do I. Should it be one more condition for the automatic ending of the frame?
Yeah i think that should be a 'condition' added to it.
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damee said:
Also i generally still play on when there is 3 reds left on table as their is still a half cent possible on the table.
True, so do I. Should it be one more condition for the automatic ending of the frame?
Yeah i think that should be a 'condition' added to it.
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11:40 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
maybe it could be a criteria which you can apply when creating a game, which of course would be in the room description. (Hope that makes sense)
13:58 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
This is one of the best ideas I've ever read on the forum Gets my vote
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maybe it could be a criteria which you can apply when creating a game, which of course would be in the room description. (Hope that makes sense)
This is one of the best ideas I've ever read on the forum Gets my vote
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14:31 Thu 6 Mar 08 (GMT) [Link]
ye deffo gets my vote like spinner said needing 3-4 7point fouls is ample
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08:51 Sun 1 Jun 08 (BST) [Link]
I want to bring this back up, because its bad enough on arcade, but people not conceding on original wastes about 5-10 minutes of your time when they already know you've won. I really think something needs to be done about this.
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09:12 Sun 1 Jun 08 (BST) [Link]
I agree with lyle, even on arcade, you do get some who will carry on, even if the 12 point rule doesnt come in then at least 16 points
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09:14 Sun 1 Jun 08 (BST) [Link]
yeah sounds like a good idea but the button to end the game yourself is a bit unfair. being ale to implement it in the game setup where you choose time limit etc would be good. if ive lost by loads and only pink and black left i go ahead and pot them just for practice.
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09:24 Sun 1 Jun 08 (BST) [Link]
Agree, i watched you against some guest a few days back and you were easily 80-90 points clear and the game took about 15 minutes to complete as he made you pot every ball, so i think this is a great idea for original. As for arcade i think that should be left alone as you can deal with it, cause even if he/she time wasted you will pot sooner or later as with original it takes time (unless your names Lyle of course).
sean_paul said:
I want to bring this back up, because its bad enough on arcade, but people not conceding on original wastes about 5-10 minutes of your time when they already know you've won. I really think something needs to be done about this.
Agree, i watched you against some guest a few days back and you were easily 80-90 points clear and the game took about 15 minutes to complete as he made you pot every ball, so i think this is a great idea for original. As for arcade i think that should be left alone as you can deal with it, cause even if he/she time wasted you will pot sooner or later as with original it takes time (unless your names Lyle of course).
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