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11:59 Mon 11 May 09 (BST) [Link]
the reason i think lag should be added is because in real snooker its alot harder to pot the black from that range... in arcade its an easy shot to play..
12:01 Mon 11 May 09 (BST) [Link] Absolutely. However that's much closer to how it's played in real life than the lag.
Have you already seen a respotted black in a real match? There are plenty of ways to keep black safe, even when it's alone on the table. And, at least, doing that requires real snooker skills.
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And I would say that not being able to pot off the respot is similarly not part of snooker.
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My main problem with that idea though is that it is to harsh on the one who has to play the first shot, what can he do with the black other than stick it up? There are no balls to hide behind, so at best leaving a double.
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12:07 Mon 11 May 09 (BST) [Link]
The problems are this:
1) We "have" to play by official snooker rules.
2) This means that whoever wins the toss/is ramdomly chosen usually wins the frame.
Problem straight away. We don't like the consequence of the official rules but are reluctant to move away from them.
The solutions ultimately therefore are flawed as they are not official rules.
My suggestion, take chance out of the outcome. A bit of Human understanding tells you that if you lose to the better man/woman, it is easier to take than losing to the lucky man/woman.
Losing by chance is not easy to take, and leads to resentment, resulting in threads like this popping up every month or so.
If a lag was introduced, there would be, IMO a lot less threads like these.
Edited at 17:12 Mon 11/05/09 (BST)
1) We "have" to play by official snooker rules.
2) This means that whoever wins the toss/is ramdomly chosen usually wins the frame.
Problem straight away. We don't like the consequence of the official rules but are reluctant to move away from them.
The solutions ultimately therefore are flawed as they are not official rules.
My suggestion, take chance out of the outcome. A bit of Human understanding tells you that if you lose to the better man/woman, it is easier to take than losing to the lucky man/woman.
Losing by chance is not easy to take, and leads to resentment, resulting in threads like this popping up every month or so.
If a lag was introduced, there would be, IMO a lot less threads like these.
Edited at 17:12 Mon 11/05/09 (BST)
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12:09 Mon 11 May 09 (BST) [Link] Absolutely. However that's much closer to how it's played in real life than the lag.
Have you already seen a respotted black in a real match? There are plenty of ways to keep black safe, even when it's alone on the table. And, at least, doing that requires real snooker skills.
Yes, many. However as I said in my post, everything on the game is easier - in an attacking sense that is. So putting distance between an object ball and the cue ball, putting the object ball on a cushion, or indeed putting both cue ball and object ball on opposite cushions which is the norm in real snooker won't be particularly effective. It certainly wouldn't create the tactical battles that respots create in real life.
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the_kop said:
And I would say that not being able to pot off the respot is similarly not part of snooker.
the_kop said:
My main problem with that idea though is that it is to harsh on the one who has to play the first shot, what can he do with the black other than stick it up? There are no balls to hide behind, so at best leaving a double.
Yes, many. However as I said in my post, everything on the game is easier - in an attacking sense that is. So putting distance between an object ball and the cue ball, putting the object ball on a cushion, or indeed putting both cue ball and object ball on opposite cushions which is the norm in real snooker won't be particularly effective. It certainly wouldn't create the tactical battles that respots create in real life.
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15:05 Mon 11 May 09 (BST) [Link]
That would cause problems for tournaments and besides it is also not how snooker is played.
but arcade snooker is not how snooker is played anyway so what difference does it make if the answer is a non snooker like solution? like it was said already long potting and putting the cue ball near other balls or the cushions does not affect the outcome of the next shot. it does not hinder the shot taker like in real snooker. i appreciate the fact everybody wants life like snooker and that was the reason i became a member because of the similarities to real life snooker but at the end of the day it is a computer game.
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if the game ended in a draw a new frame must be played ??
That would cause problems for tournaments and besides it is also not how snooker is played.
but arcade snooker is not how snooker is played anyway so what difference does it make if the answer is a non snooker like solution? like it was said already long potting and putting the cue ball near other balls or the cushions does not affect the outcome of the next shot. it does not hinder the shot taker like in real snooker. i appreciate the fact everybody wants life like snooker and that was the reason i became a member because of the similarities to real life snooker but at the end of the day it is a computer game.
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15:46 Mon 11 May 09 (BST) [Link]
I take you're point (as I rarely play Arcade I tend to forget things like that) but that was more of an aside, my main point was the fact that it would cause problems for tournaments.
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01:21 Tue 12 May 09 (BST) [Link]
I don't see what the problem is with keeping it a 50/50 chance?!?
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04:38 Tue 12 May 09 (BST) [Link]
because we all know that whoever gets the respot 99% of the time wins, now to me someone who has played badly throughout the frame, gets an easy shot and vice versa, a lag is the fairest way, although i cant see that happening as it is not the rules of snooker
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05:07 Tue 12 May 09 (BST) [Link]
i think this may have been mentioned but would not allowing the black to be potted off the spot by the first person be a solution? non snooker like solution as it is
05:16 Tue 12 May 09 (BST) [Link] Well, somehow (s)he hasn't played that badly, because (s)he managed to tie his opponent... Would it also be unfair if that player, who played "badly", won the frame by 1 point?
I think the 50/50 is fair enough, because if the players are tied, they deserve equally the frame. When the skill couldn't decide who wins, letting the luck decide is not so bad.
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because we all know that whoever gets the respot 99% of the time wins, now to me someone who has played badly throughout the frame, gets an easy shot and vice versa, a lag is the fairest way, although i cant see that happening as it is not the rules of snooker
I think the 50/50 is fair enough, because if the players are tied, they deserve equally the frame. When the skill couldn't decide who wins, letting the luck decide is not so bad.
By the way coin toss has been used in professional competitions as well. A few references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_1968 (Italy won the semi-final by coin toss)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_toss#Coin_flipping_in_dispute_resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_1968 (Italy won the semi-final by coin toss)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_toss#Coin_flipping_in_dispute_resolution
05:28 Tue 12 May 09 (BST) [Link] Yes this has already been mentioned a few times, the last time is in this thread, on the first page.
However because it would be a big difference from real snooker, many people don't like it; therefore I doubt it's an acceptable solution, as the primary objective is to please as many users as possible.
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i think this may have been mentioned but would not allowing the black to be potted off the spot by the first person be a solution? non snooker like solution as it is
However because it would be a big difference from real snooker, many people don't like it; therefore I doubt it's an acceptable solution, as the primary objective is to please as many users as possible.
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05:35 Tue 12 May 09 (BST) [Link]
... Whilst keeping the official rules
Which is basically what we have now
Which is basically what we have now
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05:38 Tue 12 May 09 (BST) [Link] Yes this has already been mentioned a few times, the last time is in this thread, on the first page.
However because it would be a big difference from real snooker, many people don't like it; therefore I doubt it's an acceptable solution, as the primary objective is to please as many users as possible.
i think the best solution is the most common method of solving the problem...do nothing.
however as i have said before this isnt real snooker while it bears many similarities and the overall aim is to imitate snooker in its realest form, we are using a mouse not a cue
Edited at 10:42 Tue 12/05/09 (BST)
blutch said:
i_am_deco said:
i think this may have been mentioned but would not allowing the black to be potted off the spot by the first person be a solution? non snooker like solution as it is
However because it would be a big difference from real snooker, many people don't like it; therefore I doubt it's an acceptable solution, as the primary objective is to please as many users as possible.
i think the best solution is the most common method of solving the problem...do nothing.
however as i have said before this isnt real snooker while it bears many similarities and the overall aim is to imitate snooker in its realest form, we are using a mouse not a cue
Edited at 10:42 Tue 12/05/09 (BST)
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