over the past week or so I have been involved in a few black ball fights and haven't been first in any

i appreciate these are decided randomly and my time will come, but surely there must be a better way.

as stated lots of times on this thread we are reminded that fs in not real snooker and that all the rules either cannot or would be too hard to implement.

therefore, my suggestion would be to make it fair, introduce a lag if there is a black ball fight (ie scores level at the end of the game).

this would then give both players the opportunity of getting the first shot and the inevitable pot that follows (especially in arcade).

before anyone says it doesnt happen in real snooker, i know that but can we toss a coin on funky??? - seems like the fairest way

and while on the rules, something needs to be done about deliberate fouls as the art of snookering an opponent doesnt exist on fs as they they play the 9 ball push out shot with only a 4 point penalty - ball should be replaced and they need to play the shot again - easy to implement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited at 12:05 Sat 9/05/09 (BST)

Firstly this has been mentioned before
(here is where you can find some feedback http://www.funkysnooker.com/viewTopic.do?topicid=5253 ).

And as for the the coin toss, that is exactly what is happening effectively - i.e. a 50/50 random selection

So if there was a lag for black ball, there would still be an advantage to one of the players. (ie plays carom alot) So then it aint really fair.

As for the coin toss. As said above, its 50/50 just like a coin toss. So that idea was not thought out fully. lol

i play carom alot but i suck at lag... so i dont believe thats an advantage... i think a lag would be good for a tie

I did say though, an advantage to one of the players.

So you would lose the lag at a disadvantage of not being able to lag successful. Thus losing the lag, and 9/10 losing the game.

Ry, a lag is fair. Practice of lags is availiable to everyone. You could say Steva Davis has played more break off shots than jamie Cope, so a break off shot isn't fair.

A lag is fairest way, and involves skill not luck.

Can't actually see how a 50/50 even chance can't be considered as 'the fairest way', but there you go. As pointed out previously, lag isn't how it is done in real life and so can't see a valid reason to introduce it here - I know it would be popular with more experienced players as it would give them an advantage, but I think that is precisely the point.

How can this be easy to implement, how will the game no wether its a snooker shot foul or if it a general foul.

Say I snooker you, you go for the red and miss everything so does that mean becuase you miss the ball should be put back? Even though you went for it fairly? So really you can not tell if somebody is going for the shot or deliberitly missing, then you got things like if lagg occurs on a normal shot where you are not snookerd you under hit the ball then hit nuthing the ball will have to be replaced, becuase the computer can't tell if your snookerd behind 1 ball of it you just generaly miss a ball.

a miss is called in snooker if u miss a ball whether u r snookered or not - so yes it would be easy to implement

That is not strictly true - the miss is called if the referee deems that the player missed a shot that he is capable of achieving. As the players in this case are professionals, the referee invariably calls a miss (which is quite often disputed by the commentators when the miss is by millimeters) thus it is a subjective call and not an objective one.

ok ok ok ok ok

was only a suggestion guys lol

i've been put in my place lol

Fair enough point Mike! But i for one deffinately aint practicing lag shots, just so i can get a chance at black to win the game! The whole idea of having lag is ludacris. Does'nt happen in real life... but everyone's saying they want the site to become more realistic? Better not use lag as a "fair choice" then in my opinion.

Mind you i can honestly say i dont know who Steva Davis is mate.

wouldnt the simple solution be to have a choice of having it replaced added as an option along with the current options of taking the shot yourself or giving it back to them to play from the new position

Another idea is, if the game ends in a draw. The black must then be doubled into a pocket. Simples.

How would the game know tho?

Ive always been in favour of a lag on this, but tossing a coin is the actual rules, and unfortunately, i doubt it will change to lag on here.

Ahh, one of my favourite topics!

I still think that the only way to make it more fair than it is now, is to disallow to pot the black just after the respot.
(idea originally suggested by damee: http://www.funkysnooker.com/viewTopic.do?topicid=4810&page=2 )
Maybe we can even get this less restrictive by disallowing to pot the black into the left pockets just after the respot.

However the restrictive character of this rule makes it hardly user-friendly. I can for example imagine beginners just potting the black off spot just because they don't notice it's not allowed - and they would be right, as it's not a standard snooker rule!

I definitely don't like the lag idea, because:
- it's not part of snooker. Snooker is made of aim, position, safety, break building, but not lag.
- the decision of who should hit first shouldn't depend on skill... after all, the reason there's a respotted black is that both players had very close skills during the frame, for that reason a 50/50 is fair enough!

if the game ended in a draw a new frame must be played ??

And I would say that not being able to pot off the respot is similarly not part of snooker. My main problem with that idea though is that it is to harsh on the one who has to play the first shot, what can he do with the black other than stick it up? There are no balls to hide behind, so at best leaving a double.

It is also a lot easier to pot from a break off shot on this game - in fact everything is easier.... putting limitations of shots you can/cannot play doesn't appeal to me. But thats just me

That would cause problems for tournaments and besides it is also not how snooker is played.