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mrmaximum
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09:34 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Just wondering what everyone thought of the idea that they could reset individual game types. For example for me, I would quite like to reset my killer stats as they are shocking. But my arcade stats are very good and would not want to lose them. I think it would be nice to have the option to just reset one maybe two stats
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09:38 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
id love this too.

especially for carom to see what my real success % is now that i know how to play it
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baff
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10:20 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
I am fully opposed to this idea.

If players were allowed to reset just one set of stats at will, it would make a mockery of the current ranking system.

Everyone has good and bad days ... if you have a high ranking, then you have probably had more good that bad ones. If you were able to reset, say Arcade after 2 or 3 bad days, would you feel satisifed that you managed to get your rank up to say pro, simply because you erased bad stats at the start? I know I wouldn't.

Surely the fact that you cannot reset stats for just one discipline is reason enough to encourage you to get better at it. If you want to be pro / virt in all games, practise and play until you get their on your own merit.

(Others may not feel so strongly, but I think that this is a bit like cheating really).
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10:40 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
there is that aspect to it but there is also the aspect of i played 70 games of carom in tournaments before i learned how to play the game. i remember i had played about 800 shots at 1 stage and only gotten 5 or 6 points.

so my carom stats will never show my real abilty. if i was to reset my carom stats then they would show my true ability at it

Edited at 15:43 Mon 14/09/09 (BST)
i_am_god
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11:17 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
you can overturn that deco, easy m8

i think it would be handy to reset the stats but i dont think this should happen at all.

i like the way you need to work on all your stats, and in my opinion you should have to try and turn round a bad start rather than keep quitting and quitting and eventually get very bored.
dgeneratio
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11:19 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
just look at me, 20.8 success in carom from a bad start. its not going to be much higher as ive had over 15,000 turns with about 2-3,000 successful.

i agree with lee, it would be nice to reset 1 stat but you have to work on all your stats.
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11:46 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
i dont want to reset all my stats or really any of them cause they all show my true ability except carom which doesnt.

to reset would be the easier option

Edited at 16:53 Mon 14/09/09 (BST)
toontomh
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11:58 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm against this as well.

In your case, deco, your stats represent you, wether you started badly or not you put all them stats together and therefore that's your ability. Maybe you get more than 1 in 5 shots now, but the reason it's down at 1 in 5 is because you didn't used to. A football team who start a season badly and end up finishing 10th can't say they deserved to be in Europe because over the last 20-25 games they barely lost.

On the topic as a whole, you shouldn't be able to pick and choose what you re-set for the reasons that have been explained above, especially by baff.
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12:01 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
baff makes sense and i agree with him other than the fact he calls it cheating.... which i dont understand at all
blutch
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14:01 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Keep in mind that the first reason why the Reset option exists is to prevent people from creating new accounts when they want a fresh profile. This Reset option then helps minimizing the number of inactive accounts.

I'm pretty sure that if there hadn't been the problem of people creating new accounts, the Reset option wouldn't even exist.
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14:17 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
i_am_deco has a point definitely. BUT: i'm still opposite to the idea for reasons that are already stated here.

If somoene thinks a certain stat doesnt reflect his/her capabilities, but this stat is very very important, i'd personallu have i go, and risked to delete everything !

its a matter of how badly you want something...

baff
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16:07 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
i_am_deco said:
baff makes sense and i agree with him other than the fact he calls it cheating.... which i dont understand at all


IMO it is a sort of cheat, to be able to reset one stat in order to get a high level on all, rather than having attained this level through skill, practise (and maybe a bit of luck).

Perhaps you thought I meant it was comparable tocheating on another scale dec, such as asking players to lose....? That was not my intention - sorry for any confusion.
toontomh
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16:24 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Cheating is breaking the rules, which, should this be available, wouldn't be against the rules.

I can see your point, but cheating isn't the word for it.
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16:44 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
what difference does it make though is what i find hardest to understand in your posts.

i reset my stats, i start playing again. its no easier nor harder for me to gain rank than before, when i started as a complete new player.
i will look like a better player compared to when i originally started and had poor stats. but my stats after resetting, be it one or all will, still be an accurate reflection of my current playing ability.
mrmagic
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17:59 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
i_am_deco said:
but my stats after resetting, be it one or all will, still be an accurate reflection of my current playing ability.


From what i can gather, this 'current' ability is what baff was trying to get at, and that your stats should show not your current ability, but your ability as a whole? From when you join, you practice, you learn, get better and then slowly start to improve on your stats when you become a more accomplished player. If that makes sense? (i may be wrong but that's how i took it)

With regards to carom success percentage i can see why some may want to reset as it takes donkeys to get percentages up! On the other hand, the practice tables are there for you to learn on and although it might be a better way for you to learn, if you're worried about your stats then learning the hard way probably isn't the best option!

For me, i'm not keen on the reset button, (be it for all or one game type) but that's a personal opinion. Some people like to set themselves goals/targets such as how few games they can get to pro/virt in, or how many halfs/cents they can hit in a certain amount of games. Or for some, they just want to 'update' their stats to get rid of their poor stats from when they were learning the game and practicing. I don't see anything wrong with doing this while it's there as it isn't breaking any rules and definitely isn't cheating. But while it's purpose isn't for goal setting and what have you, i see no reason to 'adapt' it to make it so.

blutch said:
Keep in mind that the first reason why the Reset option exists is to prevent people from creating new accounts when they want a fresh profile. This Reset option then helps minimizing the number of inactive accounts.

As blutch has pointed out, the reset button wasn't brought in on user's requests so i doubt this will happen but thought i would give my input

Didn't realise i had rambled for so long!!
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18:52 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
I totally disagree with this idea also.

To be honest i dont know of any players that has their original account (Apart from me). I would have alot better stats if i could have reset them near the beginning of my FS carrer so to speak.

I went for months when i first started, playing people like nomercy1986 with a high break of 33. And that was arcade! Obviously there is a bigger difference now. I still would'nt want to reset the stats i got now, for a clean slate and a chance at a better win %.

I would lose all cents, halfs & tournament wins. For what? A better win percentage? No thanks.
i_am_god
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19:04 Mon 14 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
admittedly i regret losin leesil

it hurts

dont reset and start again, dont reset your stats, be a hero and live the dream,


or do wat i did aand add everything up from prev profile on ya edit profile option and keep the memorys,

thats where the love is!!
toontomh
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16:16 Tue 15 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
youngjeezy said:
I totally disagree with this idea also.

To be honest i dont know of any players that has their original account (Apart from me). I would have alot better stats if i could have reset them near the beginning of my FS carrer so to speak.

I went for months when i first started, playing people like nomercy1986 with a high break of 33. And that was arcade! Obviously there is a bigger difference now. I still would'nt want to reset the stats i got now, for a clean slate and a chance at a better win %.

I would lose all cents, halfs & tournament wins. For what? A better win percentage? No thanks.


Me!

But yeah, the whole point of your stats is to show what you're like, getting rid of your first 3 months or whatever doesn't reflect you on this game, it reflects what you were like after you'd played it or 3 months and knew what you were doing.

As was also very well pointed out, the re-set button wasn't introduced so that people could get better stats, it was so that people would stop deleting accounts and creating a new one which was happening a lot.
dgeneratio
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16:22 Tue 15 Sep 09 (BST)  [Link]  
youngjeezy said:
I totally disagree with this idea also.

To be honest i dont know of any players that has their original account (Apart from me). I would have alot better stats if i could have reset them near the beginning of my FS carrer so to speak.

I went for months when i first started, playing people like nomercy1986 with a high break of 33. And that was arcade! Obviously there is a bigger difference now. I still would'nt want to reset the stats i got now, for a clean slate and a chance at a better win %.

I would lose all cents, halfs & tournament wins. For what? A better win percentage? No thanks.


Exactly, im in same boat
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