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osullivan34
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23:43 Mon 30 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
just to say hi to my newest clan

whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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23:44 Mon 30 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
Hello D&C newbies!

whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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23:44 Mon 30 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
will get everyone involved as soon as the season is over!
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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23:44 Mon 30 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
Let's get started on these games then! Message your opponents. for some of you, this is your last game with D&C. Make it a decent one

Plate Final

Poolers 1 v 2 Dollars and Cents

jimi_clapton v adam_147
nh425 v _nerdzz_
cushion v whocares8x8
emily v chase475
v_is_4_virt 1 v 2 arpeggi
mr_pink_eyes v torres
sabracadabra v mich

gl peeps


Edited at 00:11 Tue 31/05/11 (BST)
dgeneratio
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00:03 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
osullivan34 said:
just to say hi to my newest clan


alright mate
pilbyjoel
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00:27 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Hello again
dgeneratio
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00:29 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
hi
pilbyjoel
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00:30 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Lost in arc marathon final to fake newbie!
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00:33 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
won the reg final to a real pro
dgeneratio
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00:34 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
wd ant, ul pilbs.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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03:12 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
lol ul pilby! could've gotten some massive rank there.
nice one ant
osullivan34
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03:33 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
RESULT: Arcade Snooker Ranked - snow (0) 0-107 (2) osullivan34

107 for D&C

whocares8x8
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03:40 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
waheeeey
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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03:58 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
....................................W.....L.....Bonus..........Total
Globe Potters..........211:113......10..............221
Dollars and Cents...200:124......20..............220
All Starz....................159:165......20..............179
The Untouchables...169:155.......0...............169
Chaos Crew............151:173......10..............161
Thunder Hawxs........130:194.......0...............130
Poolers.....................114:210.......0...............114
Punishers....................0....0..........0..................0

Didn't quite work out with the league unfortunately. However, we did not lose this one on the tables, but to defaults. If the games had been played out, I believe we would have won this easily. Nothing we can do about that.
Well played throughout everyone!
adam_147
adam_147
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04:20 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
3-3 me v skillz is a joke defaults team. not happy at all. if he had wanted to play it, he could have.

not saying this is what happened but:

current system is majorly flawed, too easy for captains to ask players to seemingly make an effort without actually making the effort to play, so the game isnt played and they get a draw on defaults.

Say i got drawn to play fuzz in carom, and i know i dont stand a chance. how easy is it for me to ask what times he is on, then say i can only make times that he cant. then check if he is online before logging in to make sure we aren't on at the same time.

chat log would probably make it pretty even and so would activity log, but i could get a 3-3 or at worst a 4-2 out of it when in reality it would probably be a 6-0 or 5-1.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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04:36 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree that it could be exploited, however, I hardly see a way around the current system we have. All one can do is make the best effort possible. I'm more disappointed with the way this season ended. Not really much fun or skill involved in defaults, when every frame matters.
adam_147
adam_147
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04:41 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Simple addition to the system:

In the event of both players making an equal effort to get the game played but failing to do so, the expected scoreline as considered by the default team will be taken.

That way a good player can't exploit the system by not playing to get the win (which could happen if relative skill was always considered), and a less good player can't gain frames by avoiding playing (as can happen now).
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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04:51 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Why can't the stronger player do the same thing in that situation that weaker players can do right now? Message back, say you can't play at that time etc.
Gotta go to sleep, I'll carry on tomorrow
adam_147
adam_147
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04:58 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Because if you knew you were stronger then you would back yourself to win by playing, so you would stand to gain nothing...

Go back to the hypothetical me v fuzzy in carom. Say we both make equal effort but can't play, default now would be 3-3. Under my system a fair score prediction would probably be 4-2 to fuzz based on normal games. However he knows full well he can beat me 6-0 so he would want to play. I know I lose on defaults if we don't so I want to play too as I know I could get more than 2.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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05:01 Tue 31 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Good point. We'll bring it up when the season is done. There are a number of other things to discuss as well. Keep this in mind.
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