Hey guys,

When will the site make it able to get the balls replaced after a snooker? It happens so many times that after a snooker players play slow so you can hit the ball but don't even try to get out of the snooker and it's getting on my nerves.
Does the word "cheating" come to mind or not?

The "foul and a miss" rule can not be put on here, as the rule is used under a referee's discretion, all depending if they feel the player made a good enough attempt to get out of it.

http://www.funkysnooker.com/thread/8536/deliberate-fouls

Mentioned so many times, there is a recent one.

why not just make him hit it? Untill snookers needed.

Because that is not the 'miss' rule. As Damee said, it is a decision the referee makes rather than a set in stone rule.

Well indeed that's not the miss rule but neither is what's going on now.

To be fair, this is the biggest flaw of Funkysnooker (along with touching ball, free ball and re-rack option) that's why so many threads emerge every time. Trying to get out of a difficult snooker is one of the exciting elements of the game.

Surely a ref is needed to judge whether a shot was ''foul'' or ''foul and a miss'', but the way it is now --> play shot or put back opponent from new position is again a snooker rules travesty.

A travesty of a similar nature as to having the balls replaced and calling ''foul and a miss'' without a referee in my opinion.

To be honest, it is very very rare that a miss is not called in the professional game these days...

How many can you think of? Most of the time when a miss is not called, there is a easy pot left on anyway... in which case you wouldn't select the miss option, to make him play it again in a funky game..

Because of this I think it would be better with it than without it.

i agree with everything said here but here is my personal opinion, the real game pots are much harder and if they can't see a pot to get position or an easy safety shot they put the balls back.

on here the circumstances are different as you can pot from 99% from anywhere of the table, you also don't have to worry about position too much as you have 6 colours so normally you would take the pot and not put them back in.

the counter argument would be that you could put them back in but that takes out the spirit of the game.

me personally if i put them in a snooker and i saw them pushout for an easy way out of it i would keep replacing the balls until.

A) they make a decent attempt to get out of it
B) leave me a pot available what i feel happy with
C) snookers required stage

so in essence i agree with slatty here

Edited at 13:45 Thu 02/02/12 (GMT)

I very much agree with what slatty said, in professional play 95% of fouls are called ''foul and a miss'' because you expect a professional player to be able to get out of basically any kind of snooker.

Not having it here essentially destroys the tactical aspect of the game, with big breakbuilding being the only way to win a match.

So I'd rather have every single foul called ''foul and a miss'' than absolutely none.

Problem with this is you can have a situation where a ball ''on'' is impossible to hit, for example cue ball angled near the pocket and surrounded by pink, blue and green with red ball ''on''. In that case the player could concede 60 or 70 points until the ''snookers needed'' stage with the frame almost certainly lost.

Interesting thread. There indeed are players, some of them 'good' ones, who want to pull the word 'sportsmanship' apart and throw it in the bin.... they dont seems to have a sense of fair play, seeing this type of shot very much part of the game. It's sad to have these types of players, but we do and my advice is to stick them on ignore and avoid playing them whenever possible

i believe thats one of the reasons damien posted about referee discretion it may happen in Arcade but rarely does it happen in Regular and Original, in those instances it would be a foul only but i don't think its possible to code without one or the other in stone.

if it was down to me, i would leave it out of the Arcade games and put it on Regular and Original only as its less frequent there. also if i had a choice between foul and a miss or just a foul i would choose miss. of course you can 'put them back in' which really is one of the counter arguments to it as well as susp's post above.

thats good but staff can't put anyone on ignore so they would have to remember all the names which if there are a ton of people they might not be able to.

also you can't avoid them in tournaments

I was thinking more the individual who has experienced this, not staff.... but agree, even trying to manage this at a personal level could be diffricult.... given the possible numbers..... keep a pen and paper at hand and write them down

Its a fair point, one that will stop this from happening unfortunately. I don't see a way around it However personally for the amount of times it happens id still implement it.

Edited at 17:44 Thu 02/02/12 (GMT)

Me too, snooker without freeball and ''foul and a miss'' rule is like football without corners and penalties!!

Well all good answers indeed but we are still where we started i guess.Of course i agree with not telling names on here but what else is there to do?These cheaters should all be banned.Some of you may ask why?Well no respect is good enough for me in this case.Thx all for sharing.

At least you can go to bed at night with a clear conscience

Just been re-reading this thread and agree with the fact that due to the mechanics of this online game a doubt anything can be done.

I was however interested in a post a little way up this page

"my advice is to stick them on ignore"

I've been on here a couple of years now and am I missing something - can I filter out player I don't want to play?

If so please explain how.

Thanks

Well i believe the foul and miss rule would be unfair to enforce in these games... Lets face it even though there are some excellent players on here, we are not professionals. People make mistakes all the time, I'm playing a game as i'm typing this. In it my opponent got himself into an aweful snooker during a break. I feel it would be completely unfair to force him to replace the white and try again.

Maybe i'm not really getting the thread and people only want to enforce the rule for those who do a slight push to get out of the snooker... and if so then I might believe it can work. but I think on the whole that rule would make the difference between good players and new (poor) ones even bigger...

Also I know this has pretty much nothing to do with the thread but in the case of bad sportsmanship/abuse/whatever I was just wondering if there was any way of putting a "black mark" on someones profile for other players to see? Such as warnings that players have been kicked from chat rooms or reported for (valid) abuse? I know it would be up to the moderators so it'd b some extra work but I think it would be handy for players to know what to expect from certain members...

I've been playing for a pretty long time now and it never ceases to amaze me what some players will do to vent frustration or put you off, I know all i have to do is use the "ignore user" button but i cant help but be annoyed at the thought that some of these people get a real kick out of it...

If your opponent is snookered and they don't make an attempt to get out of it, and just tap out. Why not make them carry on from where they are? If there isn't anything on surely you can do that?

Foul and miss just isn't viable on here. Touching ball & free ball is though.

EDIT: Just remembered nick saying a while back, that if the touching ball was to be implemented, there would be basically a 0.00000000000000000000001% chance of it happening, even if it looks like it's touching due to the way it works. Ask him exactly what it is as I have no clue