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18:41 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Just wondering whether it's possible to get a ranking of 1000+ not that I ever will LOL just intrigued to know.

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19:17 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
when u get to a certain height u gain like 0.1 and rubbish like that.. so probably impossible..lol
dgeneratio
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19:20 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
yep impossible due to edge modification when you get to virtuoso, when you get 900+ the rank system takes a percentage of the rank you should win away, when you get to 970s etc you will notice you may only get 0.1 from a 600 and lose around 8 (if not a tournie), on the old system ste_efc had 0.0 lots of times at 990 rank.
jack_pot
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19:44 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Is it actually impossible though or just highly unlikely?
si123
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19:48 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Ste got 996.9? something like that and that he didn't lose for like 80 games playing all kinds of ranks so unless your playing somebody 990 aswel the points you make are extremly unlikly to take you above 1,000 go from 996 - 1000 you will need to win about 70/100 games playing people at average 800 rank without losing 1 which is extremly unlikely

I'm guessing it is possible 2 people both on 999 and 1 wins will take them above 1,000
whocares8x8
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19:52 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I think it was determined in past threads that it was mathematically impossible due to the edge modification. Not sure though.
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19:56 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I'll let you know in a few days whether it's possible or not
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20:24 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Thanks guys :) just wanted to know
adam_147
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20:40 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I have a suspicion that given enough players it is possible to get to 1000 in orig with the 8x bonus in tournaments, but without the actual edge modification formula I can't work it out. The question is, if two people on 999.9 played each other in orig tournament, is the multiplier for edge modification less than 0.00625? If so, then it is impossible, if it is greater, then it is possible.

Edited at 19:55 Thu 29/03/12 (BST)
sean
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21:14 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Just try and do it then you know if it's possible or not
dgeneratio
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21:28 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
nah blutch proved it is impossible on an old thread, adam your tournie argument tournament rank didn't get doubled but normal rank got halved, ranking is very hard now compared to when ste was 996 and even back then reason it was changed was when when 2 virts faced each other a draw they both would lose rank.
adam_147
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22:55 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I still want to see the formula haha.
dgeneratio
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22:57 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
ill try and find it.
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dgeneratio
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23:03 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I still want to see the formula haha.

hmm looks like its not downloadable now.
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23:04 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Ste got 996.9? something like that and that he didn't lose for like 80 games playing all kinds of ranks so unless your playing somebody 990 aswel the points you make are extremly unlikly to take you above 1,000 go from 996 - 1000 you will need to win about 70/100 games playing people at average 800 rank without losing 1 which is extremly unlikely

I'm guessing it is possible 2 people both on 999 and 1 wins will take them above 1,000

you can use buddytobuds ranking calculator to check providing its up to date

but looking at graph it would be 0.0 for 100% edge modification

Edited at 20:15 Thu 29/03/12 (BST)
adam_147
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23:19 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
His proof is invalid anyway looking at the thread as that is assuming linear or quadratic edge modification, whereas the current help page says that it is roughly exponential. This is a big difference as a quadratic tends to 0 quicker than an exponential.
scotty2hotti
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23:32 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
i thought it was impossible to go above 1000 , as it is the equivalent of 100%

which means you would lose points , even if you win the game

which is how i read the calculation

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23:33 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Yes im sure it is impossible.. especially with the rank system these days.. i mean last year when i was 960 in Arcade i was barely getting any rank off of 800s. its a struggle to break into the top 10 now

But facing it.. if you got to to 980+ you won be getting much more than 0.1 of 800s etc
adam_147
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23:34 Thu 29 Mar 12 (BST)  [Link]  
It is almost certainly impossible to get over 1000, but 1000 itself could be a different matter.
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