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sarahh
sarahh
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00:38 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
No. We dont force extensions on anyone. There were two weeks to complete the games and it looks like both teams screwed this up by leaving completely inactive players in the tie.
If people really wanted these games played, then tinie or tyler wouldve been subbed out ages ago.
Both teams have 5 active players that could've easily played these games. I dont see any excuse for either team really. A few people will at least get an entry on the defaulters list.

Yes both teams are equally responsible for games not being played. One game was our fault (Tyler), one was their fault (tinie) and one was just the players didn't manage to meet each other. Surely the fact that we actually tried on deadline day to get the games played and were faced with a deliberate attempt to win on defaults must count for something? Last time I checked, refusing a sub against an active player wasn't allowed.


adam why did it take you so long to try to arrange your game , you should be messaging firs few days of release , he should also had messaged you , leaving it to your opponent to contact you is a bad way going about it ,

i am blessed one looks so bad when he cant even get the will to even log into the game , same with lyle , same with diamond too , why not have them as subs and play your most active players from the start
sarahh
sarahh
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00:41 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
is so frustrating when your opponent is very inactive and having to try arrange with ,you try for 13 days no look and then they make a sub or they sub you out of a game you have tryed to play , hardly fair
erigert
erigert
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00:41 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Im not sure why this should be discussed here. Isnt there a default panel?

I think some things need to be shown in public. If it's now allowed to refuse subs against active players to try to win on defaults then it's only fair everyone should know. If it's still not allowed, then captains need to me made aware of this so that this never happens again. The nitty gritty of the scores and who should go on the defaulters list is for the default panel I agree, but this is a matter of exactly what the rules are. People need to know.

Refusing active players? Lmao
U were the active player?? :S
adam_147
adam_147
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00:43 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Sarah, Tyler was active for the first week, arranged a time with hoolahan but then was called out so wasn't able to make it. After that he vanished but we had no way of knowing.

Lyle should have been subbed earlier yep but who could we sub in? Someone else who wasn't around. That's one of those where we couldn't do anything and we have to accept the hit on the defaults.

I see tinie on here loads, never imagined it would be an issue to get the game sorted. Just one of those things where we didn't overlap and neither thought to message before the end. However, I made the first contact and he was unavailable, if he was unable to play on deadline day it's his job to make sure that is known. I then asked for a sub, with an opponent online, and they refused the sub. At no point did DD refuse a sub in this fixture, that's entirely on NA.
adam_147
adam_147
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00:43 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Im not sure why this should be discussed here. Isnt there a default panel?

I think some things need to be shown in public. If it's now allowed to refuse subs against active players to try to win on defaults then it's only fair everyone should know. If it's still not allowed, then captains need to me made aware of this so that this never happens again. The nitty gritty of the scores and who should go on the defaulters list is for the default panel I agree, but this is a matter of exactly what the rules are. People need to know.

Refusing active players? Lmao
U were the active player?? :S

More active than tinie, checked every day several times to see if he was online.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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00:45 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
The only thing I can say here is the general point that refusing to sub is only acceptable in special circumstances. Whether this is one of them is up to the default panel to decide.
sarahh
sarahh
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00:46 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Sarah, Tyler was active for the first week, arranged a time with hoolahan but then was called out so wasn't able to make it. After that he vanished but we had no way of knowing.

Lyle should have been subbed earlier yep but who could we sub in? Someone else who wasn't around. That's one of those where we couldn't do anything and we have to accept the hit on the defaults.

I see tinie on here loads, never imagined it would be an issue to get the game sorted. Just one of those things where we didn't overlap and neither thought to message before the end. However, I made the first contact and he was unavailable, if he was unable to play on deadline day it's his job to make sure that is known. I then asked for a sub, with an opponent online, and they refused the sub. At no point did DD refuse a sub in this fixture, that's entirely on NA.


ok but you did see tylers posts didnt you ?

lyle has been like this the past few seasons now , why keep putting him into fixtures

tinie is tinie , his moods change like the wind , when did you send a message to him ?
erigert
erigert
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00:46 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Sarah, Tyler was active for the first week, arranged a time with hoolahan but then was called out so wasn't able to make it. After that he vanished but we had no way of knowing.

Lyle should have been subbed earlier yep but who could we sub in? Someone else who wasn't around. That's one of those where we couldn't do anything and we have to accept the hit on the defaults.

I see tinie on here loads, never imagined it would be an issue to get the game sorted. Just one of those things where we didn't overlap and neither thought to message before the end. However, I made the first contact and he was unavailable, if he was unable to play on deadline day it's his job to make sure that is known. I then asked for a sub, with an opponent online, and they refused the sub. At no point did DD refuse a sub in this fixture, that's entirely on NA.

Which opponent did u have online? After i had my game vs thegreatone Played i had to go from my computer and i was posting from my phone after. So no again, u didnt have an opponent online.
adam_147
adam_147
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00:49 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
You at no point said "I am unable to play" when I asked if you could sub in, you just refused with no reason given. It's your job to give information.
adam_147
adam_147
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00:51 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Sarah, Tyler was active for the first week, arranged a time with hoolahan but then was called out so wasn't able to make it. After that he vanished but we had no way of knowing.

Lyle should have been subbed earlier yep but who could we sub in? Someone else who wasn't around. That's one of those where we couldn't do anything and we have to accept the hit on the defaults.

I see tinie on here loads, never imagined it would be an issue to get the game sorted. Just one of those things where we didn't overlap and neither thought to message before the end. However, I made the first contact and he was unavailable, if he was unable to play on deadline day it's his job to make sure that is known. I then asked for a sub, with an opponent online, and they refused the sub. At no point did DD refuse a sub in this fixture, that's entirely on NA.


ok but you did see tylers posts didnt you ?

lyle has been like this the past few seasons now , why keep putting him into fixtures

tinie is tinie , his moods change like the wind , when did you send a message to him ?

I saw Tyler's posts but I also saw how much he was on in the first week, had he not had to go out when he had arranged a time it wouldn't have been a problem, we just got unlucky on the timing there.

As for Lyle, he's never had a default before this one, that's why.
erigert
erigert
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00:57 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
You at no point said "I am unable to play" when I asked if you could sub in, you just refused with no reason given. It's your job to give information.

Even if i was able to sub in i wouldnt Have done so.U Only found out that tinie was unable to play only one hour before deadline, if u had found out earlier yeah u would have had a sub. The reason why nerdzz had a sub for Diamond And the same reason why i played joeyy in the power game. I dont refuse to Give subs when There is will to get geames played. But i refuse them when my opponent finds out that he cant get the game played only one hour before deadline
sarahh
sarahh
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00:58 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
so tyler had to go out on the arranged time so he should have tryed to rearrange for another day , not stay offline

lyle i say is online 3 or 4 hours every 2 weeks and thats being generous so why no keep him as a super sub and try give the opponents that have him in a fixture some chance to try and get it played and not wait 13 days when he logs in on deadline day
adam_147
adam_147
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01:05 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
In the past I've been in contact with lyle the whole fixture and with his opponents to check deadline day would be Ok, and when it hasn't been I've subbed him out. I don't have time to do that now, that's why im not running a clan.

Tyler I was trying to get hold of the entire time, we had no idea if he was coming back. As I said, we could have subbed earlier yes. But no sub was requested by Hoolahan, so they didn't make that much effort. They themselves only subbed out diamond who was inactive with a couple of days to go, that sub should also have been made earlier.

At the end of the day, both sides made a mess of it but only one side actively refused subs.
erigert
erigert
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01:09 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
In the past I've been in contact with lyle the whole fixture and with his opponents to check deadline day would be Ok, and when it hasn't been I've subbed him out. I don't have time to do that now, that's why im not running a clan.

Tyler I was trying to get hold of the entire time, we had no idea if he was coming back. As I said, we could have subbed earlier yes. But no sub was requested by Hoolahan, so they didn't make that much effort. They themselves only subbed out diamond who was inactive with a couple of days to go, that sub should also have been made earlier.

At the end of the day, both sides made a mess of it but only one side actively refused subs.

Yeah and that side is you, we asked for a sub for blessed and was refused. We asked for a sub for borini and it was refused

And btw if you really wanted to get your game played, harry was online most of the day. The truth is u had no interest till last hour of the fixture
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01:10 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
I did make effort for Tyler, I asked joeyy about requesting subs and got told to ask you to try for getting hold of him as you did, but he never mailed me to re arrange after cancelling the saturday 8pm arrangement. So, I was fine myself, always watching out.
adam_147
adam_147
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01:14 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Find me the post where a sub for blessed was refused. I know harry, I tried to get hold of him all week.
sarahh
sarahh
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01:15 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
your missing my point about lyle, all well and good saying hes never had any defaults as you subbed him out a few times it seems , theres 14 days in a fixture to play a game , 14 days are all equal , deadline day isnt some sort special day , its just a day like the other 13 , why put people through torture trying to arrange a game with someone thats hardly online ,no good with you able contact him , its his opponents that need him to be more active to arrange there game with him , yes were all busy and that but it only takes a few minutes to log in and send a few offline messages
joeyy
joeyy
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01:16 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
I did make effort for Tyler, I asked joeyy about requesting subs and got told to ask you to try for getting hold of him as you did, but he never mailed me to re arrange after cancelling the saturday 8pm arrangement. So, I was fine myself, always watching out.

Tbh mate I also gave you a list of players who could sub in and gave them permission to if you saw them online. this included some who were online regularly e.g. brett, harriet
I'm not blaming you its an unfortunate situation really
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01:16 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
I was going to post when horse did, not long after but joeyy was online so i pmed him in the server instead.
joeyy
joeyy
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01:17 Tue 3 Mar 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
your missing my point about lyle, all well and good saying hes never had any defaults as you subbed him out a few times it seems , theres 14 days in a fixture to play a game , 14 days are all equal , deadline day isnt some sort special day , its just a day like the other 13 , why put people through torture trying to arrange a game with someone thats hardly online ,no good with you able contact him , its his opponents that need him to be more active to arrange there game with him , yes were all busy and that but it only takes a few minutes to log in and send a few offline messages

point taken, however if he is only free one night a week does this mean he shouldn't be allowed to play in the clan league? even if his opponent stated he was free on the same night?
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