some good ideas out there

This is where i disgree with you for once spinns, i myself go in and out of games to find an opponent that i feel like playing at the time, in my view that is my right as a member.

if we reverse the question, why should members who want to play high rankers be denied that chance because of players who want to play anybody? Afterall, the rank system is there to make the risks and rewards for playing any rank even.

In my view it is a suggestion, but i would definitely still like the players rank in the room description, in my view this doesn't defeat the object of it, the two go hand in hand.

Remember this is just about introducing this as an option, not to apply to all games.

Those who want to skip from game to game looking at numbers instead of playing snooker could still do so, but those who just want to play the game can have the option of doing so also.

Win-win



The problem with that is that some people deliberately wouldnt enter the game if they "didn't like" the opponents rank, or would abuse the system by always playing certain ranks.

I certainly support the room rank in description for normal games, but it would go against the principle of this idea for that reason.

Edited at 23:20 Tue 4/03/08 (GMT)

ahh i thought you were talking about applying this for all games!

this is a pointless topic to discuss. We have friendlies for people who want to play all skill levels. For those of us who are interested in testing ourselves we have ranked. Centurions you should just play friendlies from now on and you'll never have to worry about this again. There's already a great system in place here and there's no way the rack button should be removed EVER. If you are playing long sessions with friends one of you may need to stop for a moment for a drink, a trip to the restroom or so on. Also, with auto start games wso would be harder. I do think that your practice scenario should be left until both players have chosen to start a game. Its annoying having a practice break interrupted just so a guy can leave the room as soon as he comes in.

Edited at 06:50 Wed 5/03/08 (GMT)

Sorry mate your wrong if you want to test yourself what's wrong in doing that against someone with less points than yourself,or is it you dont want to loose and see points deducted.
the whole point about the game is to play if your good enough you will win if not then you loose simple as that. If you dont play a cross section of others your points are false. Only picking to play someone with a simular amount of points as yourself does not give a true reading of what kind of player you are

First of all I see where you are coming from and agree. But there's two things that are stopping me from playing lower ranked players.

1. Odds are in my favorite playing a lower ranked player over a long period of time but many times if they win 1 game they quit, so I never have the chance to win the next 10 to make up for point losses. If we could guarantee a long set it would be fine.

2. There's no way of telling if a lower ranked player is (A) a former pro or virtuoso who reset or (B) a banned virtuoso or (C)a player with two accounts.

All of these things make it troubling for me to play lower ranked opponents.
I do play them sometime though but only if they meet certain criteria,
1 A max rank less than 50pts higher than their current
2 At least 400 games.

Hope you find that interesting and helpful

Sure i understand what your saying, So i have a suggestion if they change the points system say to 10 points for a win and 5 points deducted if you loose, that way no need to pick who you play against and that will show how good a player eveyone is

The points system has been carefully refined over the years to ensure that it doesnt matter who you play, so there's not need to change that.

Remember monstermac1, this is a discussion about an option for those players who just want to be able to come on and play ranked games, without any criteria, so they can enjoy the game and work up the rankings without being hampered by picky players.

If someone wins one game, then moves on, then you can quickly move on to another player. Who you play is irrelevant to getting your rank back if you lose.

You would still be able to seek out those who match your criteria if you want

you miss the point all together, i want to be able to go to a table for a game and not to be told to leave by the other player because they are scared to be beaten by someone with less points than themselves

How can you work up the ranking if higher ranked players wont play you, It looks to me when you hit the 800 mark people stop playing against others lower because they dont want to loose that ranking. how many of the 800+ people on here did it by playing just getting 1 point here and there, (none of them )they played higher ranked players and took points of them.Notice they dont refuse when it comes to tournaments because they dont loose points.

Oh yes you can tell if they are either (A) (B) OR (C).

(A) - When a pro or virtuoso has reset, they have effectively become a 'newbie' again and the newbie modification kicks into play. By the time they have played out the newbie period, their rank should be bck where they are meant to be. Like spinner has said on a previous thread;



And (B) and (C) are the same reasons. The newbie modification sorts everything out!

As for the original topic, i really do like the idea and i think it should be trialed on friendlies first as you have less to lose in friendlies. Then if the feedback is positive for it, then bring it onto ranked matches aswell.

[QUOTE=centurions]...change the points system say to 10 points for a win and 5 points deducted if you lose...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=help centre]
[B][U]The newbie modification:[/B][/U]
if you play a newbie the points that you play for are reduced.
New user's are given a trial period of 100 games. During this period they are called newbies, and these 100 games allow the user to approach their correct ranking.

However as we are unsure of their correct ranking during this period we reduce the opponent's gain or loss in score.

This will prevent you losing a lot of score if the user is actually a very adept player, and stop you picking up a lot of points against a very weak player.

This is known as the newbie modification, and you can see this value if you turn on the stats in the options.

The maximum reduction is 80%, gradually reducing to 0% as the user approaches 100 games.

Ironically, newbies own scores are not effected by the newbie modification
[/QUOTE]

Damee, I quite like you, I am very impressed with your skills as a player, but its funny that everytime I post, you have to come tear apart my argument. However, I still think i have you on C a player with two accounts. If a player is beating himself down to gain points

Then he will use his lower account to build back up so he can then beat himself again. So he could have gone past the newbie stage. This is bannable practice i believe however there are tricky people out there who know how to project multiple ip addresses from one pc. This is why one of my criteria above was a max rank no more than 50pts higher than there current. That criteria for me only applies to players that are adept or less. Also, modifications for newbies help, but you can still lose a ton to a player who has 200 less rank than you even with modification. So should I just NEVER play newbies? Cause I sure get tired of 850's deleting or resetting. Even if I win 5-2 I'll still lose points. NEway damee, take it easy on me, im sensitive

Mostermac1 be very very careful in what your saying

Please remember to keep posts constructive and please dont make accusations

Edited at 00:30 Thu 6/03/08 (GMT)

Well said mike

I can assure you there are not many cheats that get away with it. With the nature of the game, it is very difficult to cheat without being noticed in some way, shape or form. Not that users need reminding that cheating, under any circumstance is an 'immediate ban' offense, and therefore I wouldn't advise it.

As for your previous comments, for users that have reset... You can see this information under their 'events' tab, which details when the user has reset, and from which rank.

If you read information regarding terms of service, it states that multiple accounts are not allowed but....



Therefore, if any evidence is pointing towards the fact that the user(s) could be cheating, action could be taken in order to ensure no stats are improved unfairly.

Players who believe in their ability as 'virtuoso' should, theoretically, be just that... meaning they should be able to win the majority of games against most lower-ranked players... I for one, don't particularly care about rank.

On the other-hand, many players enjoy the challenge of getting their rank as high as possible, and as quickly as possible. It is, of course, easier to do this (in terms of time) by playing higher-ranked players; for the risk > reward factor... which is afterall there own choice.

In conclusion... I personally do not feel any changes should be made to the already existing ranking/freedom of choice system, although more filter/detailed game description measures could prove to be a good idea, as well as set-rank friendly matches.