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classy
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21:52 Mon 21 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
i dont know if this has been addressed before but here goes,,tapping in killer (where you dont attempt a pot)playing safe,i have heard a lot of players complain when someone taps.i have never tapped myself but also have had it done to me..i think its actually a very good tactical shot and maybe should be accepted .If players start useing this shot freely i would aswell(lol)cos it is a tactical game i suppose...but at the moment its frowned upon.whats your views???..cheers!!!
si123
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05:22 Tue 22 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
Well lets say 1 ball on the table I got 3 lifes you got 1, why make it hard for myself might aswell go for the tactical shot becuase for all I no next rack you might pot black, then its 3 - 2 on lifes then its anybodys game again

But I never done tapping lol so I might just go for it
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05:54 Tue 22 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
I think it's totally acceptable. Haven't had a chance to use it yet but I think of it as a tactical element and part of the game.
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07:51 Tue 22 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
it's really annoying when it's against you but it's fun to play :P
cuchulain
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07:58 Tue 22 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
_sticks_ said:
it's really annoying when it's against you but it's fun to play :P


Sums it up perfectly. I only do it if Im pretty certain I have no chance of a pot and can afford to lose a life.
classy
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13:19 Tue 22 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
well i used the shot today..and was called a cheat!!.hahahaha.i am still no further forward on this!!..cheers
blutch
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13:28 Tue 22 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
What is sure, is that as long as the game allows this shot to be played, it can't be considered as a cheat. Everything that can be played may be played, whatever your opponent could say. If we want a shot to be disallowed, only the game rules have to be changed accordingly.

The same debate has already occured in snooker when you have to hit a colour, but deliberately hit a red to play safe. Since the game doesn't implement the "replace balls" rule, we just have to take the game as it is, therefore that is allowed.

And by the way, I personally used to play such shots when I can take any advantage from them. Sometimes my opponent gets angry, but if someone plays it against me, I just think (s)he's clever, and accept it.
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12:40 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
That snooker shot is just plain cheating - nothing clever about that! The only reason it isn't banned is because the system cannot differentiate between accidental and purposeful fouls.

In my opinion if someone has to play a shot like that let them do it, but they certainly won't be respected by most other players including me.

Edited at 17:43 Wed 23/07/08 (BST)
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12:41 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
tinotoon said:
That snooker shot is juts plain cheating - nothing clever about that! The only reason it isn't banned is because the system cannot differentiate between accidental and purposeful fouls.

In my opinion if someone has to play a shot like that let them do it, but they certainly won't be respected by most other players.


sounds like someone lost a game to someone doing this
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12:43 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
lol probably
jay_afc
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13:36 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
tinotoon said:
In my opinion if someone has to play a shot like that let them do it, but they certainly won't be respected by most other players including me.


I totally agree there.

Edited at 18:37 Wed 23/07/08 (BST)
cuchulain
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13:54 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
Is tapping in killer more acceptable than normal arcade/orig snooker?
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15:00 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
Personally i disagree with it and see no tactical side to it at all. I have seen this happen in different situations. For example if one player is in a position where he/she doesn't seem to have a hope in hell of potting a ball, they will tap it so it hardly moves at all. So basically instead of actually giving it a go they would prefer to rid a life just at the risk of the next player losing that shot than actually go for it and losing a life and possibly setting the table up.

I don't actually mind this but it's when 2 players are left in the game with a 2 or 3 to 1 advantage and instead of playing on to the full enjoyment of the game, the player with more lifes will tap the cue ball behind the red leaving the other player without a chance.

I don't mind it too much but i just personally think it ruins the particular game a little.
si123
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15:43 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
Everybody has got to remember 1 thing.... nobody is stoping you from doing it aswell

I think if its somebodys gameplan then let them do it really,

Also so what if they tap up behind red how many times has somebody hit n hoped and its gone in so really they might not be at a advantage
cuchulain
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15:54 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
Its gonna happen to everybody on a regular basis....the less "taboo" it becomes the more people will do it. Dont take it personally, if its within the current ruleset then they are perfectly entitled to do it.
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17:45 Wed 23 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
for me its not a question, the answer is obvious... its the whole point of the game at the top level. Top players have pot successes of near to 100% if a ball is on and so surely that is why the game is called killer... it is not a test of potting ability, but a test of safety play, if you are in a 3 giving the next player the cahnce to take a life off the 3rd player, or take 1 from the 2nd player. If heads up place balls so they cant take a life from you etc Thats how the game gets hard and complex and isnt just a potting test, and tap shots are therefore the fabric of the game as it will evolve in strategy
si123
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00:45 Thu 24 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
pieceofpig said:
for me its not a question, the answer is obvious... its the whole point of the game at the top level. Top players have pot successes of near to 100% if a ball is on and so surely that is why the game is called killer... it is not a test of potting ability, but a test of safety play, if you are in a 3 giving the next player the cahnce to take a life off the 3rd player, or take 1 from the 2nd player. If heads up place balls so they cant take a life from you etc Thats how the game gets hard and complex and isnt just a potting test, and tap shots are therefore the fabric of the game as it will evolve in strategy


Well said!
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04:06 Thu 24 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
pieceofpig said:
for me its not a question, the answer is obvious... its the whole point of the game at the top level. Top players have pot successes of near to 100% if a ball is on and so surely that is why the game is called killer... it is not a test of potting ability, but a test of safety play,


Completely disagree. You say the test is one of safety play but where's the test in tapping a ball? The real test is in potting your ball and leaving the next person in a difficult position.
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08:14 Fri 25 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
cant believe people moaning about this. the game of killer is to elliminate people you are playing against. if that means sacraficing a life to do so, then you have to do it.

its not cheating. Yes its annoying when its done to you but, you just have to accept it.

its probbably due to you missing shots that you are in the situation of 3 lives to 1.

people have been saying that if you do play the shot you are not going to be respected by the other players. i respect the players more that think about the shot and planning the win.

you will get nowhere in this game if you dont play dirty
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14:04 Sun 27 Jul 08 (BST)  [Link]  
Well it's a part of the game and therefore has to be accepted. However i feel it's nothing more than a cheap way of winning, and not very sporting, but oh well
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