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11:40 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
dgeneratio said:
dgeneratio said:
My Ideas for carom:

1) Make colour balls random in games

2) Occurances as damee said

3) Option to choose practice colour

anymore ideas?


im bringing my points back then

what you think


Pink would be nice
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11:41 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
What do you mean make colour balls random?

Occurences should be put in, if not already

Option to choose practice colour - again what do you mean?
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11:46 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
make colour random means that when in a game instead of knowing your colour, its random.

Picking your own practice colour means you could choose between white or yellow to practice with (doesnt change after you miss)
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12:55 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Either include carom + killer in the overall or neither. Simple.
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13:49 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Mike, everyone has a game which is at the bottom of their priorities, mine is regular atm, can easily change.

But if they aint included it aint overall then is it?
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15:43 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
damee said:
Mike, everyone has a game which is at the bottom of their priorities, mine is regular atm, can easily change.

But if they aint included it aint overall then is it?


Overall covers the three snooker games, which as I've said are the main aspect of this site. Every stat there is for each Snooker game is included in the Overall stats. Therefore they all contribute equally to what is there.

You introduce Carom & Killer to that and it makes it completely different, the only thing they will have an effect on is ranking and wins.

Carom & Killer are both completely different games to eachother and to the 3 snooker games, therefore to get the stats for them, go to the Carom ranking page.

Arcade, Regular & Original are all very well related, therefore as well as having their own pages, having an overall pages for those 3 means that there is somewhere to see at how well people do at the different types of Snooker, not the other different games with different concepts.

There is no real relation from Killer & Carom to the three Snookers other than they involve balls (And in Killer, potting them), so to include them in a page which brings them all together wouldn't work IMO.
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16:08 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
I openly admit I'm terrible at Carom, however, I actually think it should be in the overall table. It is a game which is ranked so should be included. All the games are different, original and arcade, although fundamentally the same game, are played in such a different manner. I believe that is Carom remains as a game on this site, then it must be included in the overall table, even though it would reduce my ranking, but may inspire me to try harder, and get better.
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16:46 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Tom if your saying that then 8 ball uk should not be in overall on FP as its on a different table completly as the pcokets are different, while on here they are basically the game.

Sorry but doesn't overall basically show you how good you are overall and not just the pocket-based games, because if so then it can not be called overall as it just simply isn't.
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18:38 Wed 25 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
if carom is added to the overall table then it would get more people playing it, as ppl would want to improve their ranking, atm most users are still newbie for carom, therefor its so hard to gain rank due to more than 50% of the points you won will be reduced playing a newbie.
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03:38 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
alexus said:
Either include carom + killer in the overall or neither. Simple.
toontomh said:
You introduce Carom & Killer to that and it makes it completely different, the only thing they will have an effect on is ranking and wins.

Just to make things clear: Killer is already included in Overall, Carom is currently the only game type that is not.

I also think that adding Carom to Overall would probably increase its number of players. I personally take some time to play all kind of games just to have a decent Overall ranking, and I'm sure many others do so as well.
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03:43 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
toontomh said:

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You introduce Carom & Killer to that and it makes it completely different, the only thing they will have an effect on is ranking and wins.
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To be honest, that's all that it included in the stats at the moment (and tournaments of course). If there were Killer tournaments as well, every Overall stat would be covered in each of the game types (which is probably why Nick didn't include centuries and half centuries in the first place - forward thinking).

Also, it is a very good point that it might increase the popularity of Carom.
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04:03 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Carom was going to be (not sure if plans are still in place) either replaced by pocket billiards or given a 2 cshion rule instead of 3, because of that, I don't think it has been added tot he overall. If changes do not happen, then I think it will be put in the overall eventally, but peole will complain.

Whichever way, people will always make threads complaining that they A) Want killer to be added to overall or B) Do not want killer to be added to the overall.

Edit:

nick from another thread said:
Every game with a ranking should ideally be used for the overall table, however I'm not opposed to weighting it towards the more competitive (ie more played) games.

Carom may have some changes in the near future so it wont be added until this is sorted.


Edited at 10:14 Thu 26/02/09 (GMT)
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04:36 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
the_kop said:
Whichever way, people will always make threads complaining that they A) Want killer to be added to overall or B) Do not want killer to be added to the overall.

I don't remember having ever seen such a complaint, yet Killer has been included in Overall for a while...
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04:39 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Arghhh I meant carom not killer

I mean if it is added people will complain and if it isn't added people will complain.

You can't please everybody basically
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04:45 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
OK but since it hasn't caused any problem for Killer, I don't know why it would cause problems for Carom. Of course you can argue that Killer has pockets and is more similar to snooker than Carom, but it's still a very different game.

I think that once Carom will get its final state (reference to Nick's quote), it should be included in Overall, because Carom is a competitive game just like all other games around here.


I think that people who don't want Carom to be included in Overall think so because they think Carom doesn't have its place on funkysnooker. If we all agree that Carom fits within funkysnooker, there is really no reason to not have it in Overall.
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04:59 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
And as I said over the page, I think that will be the case. As to wether people will agree with it is another matter.
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10:16 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
damee said:
Tom if your saying that then 8 ball uk should not be in overall on FP as its on a different table completly as the pcokets are different, while on here they are basically the game.


That's not the case at all though, it's still exactly the same concept, therefore can be included with the others.

Carom is a game in its own, it isn't similar to any of the games on here, therefore there's nothing to compare it to to put it in the overall team so to see the stats, go to the Carom page.

But the snookers are the same game, just different sizes and different amount of red balls. Therefore having something that gives an idea of how people do accross all of them is good because it shows wether people are good at just the one type, or wether they're skilled at them all.
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10:38 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Carom can fit into overall though, more than killer actually.

Carom has a ranking system like the rest doesn't it? And you can win tournaments (unlike killer).

How does it not fit in when it has everything the game type needs to go onto overall?
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12:26 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Carom is a completely different game, as is Killer (So I personally don't think Killer should be in it either). Basically, carom is carom, there are no variations or similar games on this website, so to get a ranking go to the carom page.

Arcade, Regular & Original are basically the same game just with slight differences, therefore something to bring the three together and give an overall fits in well. Bring in Carom to that and you aren't comparing 3 similar games, you're comparing 3 similar games and then an extra. Same with Killer being in there actually.
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12:31 Thu 26 Feb 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
well i think theres only 1 solution to this, ask nick himself if carom will be in overall
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