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06:50 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
Hmmmm what I see is you not posting about what you made the thread for in your last 3 posts....
There's nothing wrong with potting from the break in any of the games although it's nearly impossible in original. Who are you to say what shots your opponent can or can't take just because their style of play doesn't suit yours?
There's nothing wrong with potting from the break in any of the games although it's nearly impossible in original. Who are you to say what shots your opponent can or can't take just because their style of play doesn't suit yours?
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06:54 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
Well if somebody likes your idea, then maybe they will agree with you??
Somebody will eventially.
Somebody will eventially.
07:28 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
What? Its a debate, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
A group of people collectively slamming a guy for his 1 slighlty contentious comment= not a debate
No-one has slammed you for your idea, just no-one has agreed with it. That's not slamming you.
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calm down guys, all i said was it spoils the game. No need to get out the crucifixion kits!
What? Its a debate, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
A group of people collectively slamming a guy for his 1 slighlty contentious comment= not a debate
No-one has slammed you for your idea, just no-one has agreed with it. That's not slamming you.
07:48 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
When regular snooker was added the physics were altered subtly so that the rack is much more difficult to smash open. Try it on the practice table and you can see what I mean.
Personally I think it should have somewhere less than 50% chance a ball should go in if you smash it to make it uneconomical.
Personally I think it should have somewhere less than 50% chance a ball should go in if you smash it to make it uneconomical.
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08:29 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
Its is about 50/50 but then its also 50/50 that you land on a colour, so you could pot and leave your self on nothing.
08:36 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
... or indeed pot a color!
I'd say the chances of potting legally off a break and landing a decent position to clear up from are closer to 15-20%
The fact is, no matter whether its on the break shot or a little later in the game, anyone who prefers the "smash 'em open" style is taking a big chance, if it pays off, well done to them.
I generally smash the reds on a break (or on my first shot) in arcade, simply because I like arcade games to be quick, not because i've ever seen an advantage to it.
I'd say the chances of potting legally off a break and landing a decent position to clear up from are closer to 15-20%
The fact is, no matter whether its on the break shot or a little later in the game, anyone who prefers the "smash 'em open" style is taking a big chance, if it pays off, well done to them.
I generally smash the reds on a break (or on my first shot) in arcade, simply because I like arcade games to be quick, not because i've ever seen an advantage to it.
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08:39 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
Exactly, if I rolled up off the break, i'd smash them on my next shot anyway, whichever way, you need the run of the ball.
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16:42 Sun 8 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
Firstly, I think the percentages are actually irrelevent as they can only reflect a particular person's skill and ability (for instance in my case: potting off the break and getting position to make a substantial break would probably be closer to 0% - which is why I don't try).
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There has to be a very good reason to change from the official rules (such as implementation limitations) and personal preference to a particular style of play is not one of them. I appreciate what you are saying about safety play as I quite enjoy a good tactical exchange myself, but it is only one aspect of the game and would never contemplate trying to change the rules to force other players to adopt a particular style (in fact games where there are players of differing styles tend to be be some of the most enjoyable). What would be next... it is too easy to pot baulk colours when you've run out of position on the black. where in real life you would play a safety, so limit the number of long yellows you can pot in a break? (bit extreme I know but just to illustrate a point). Besides, what if you break off and your opponent smashes into the pack off the cushion, flukes a red and clears up - is that a foul? I think not.
As has been suggested before, if you want to play more tactical games, play more Original Snooker rather than Arcade.
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Is is possible to make potting from the break in snooker a foul?
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There has to be a very good reason to change from the official rules (such as implementation limitations) and personal preference to a particular style of play is not one of them. I appreciate what you are saying about safety play as I quite enjoy a good tactical exchange myself, but it is only one aspect of the game and would never contemplate trying to change the rules to force other players to adopt a particular style (in fact games where there are players of differing styles tend to be be some of the most enjoyable). What would be next... it is too easy to pot baulk colours when you've run out of position on the black. where in real life you would play a safety, so limit the number of long yellows you can pot in a break? (bit extreme I know but just to illustrate a point). Besides, what if you break off and your opponent smashes into the pack off the cushion, flukes a red and clears up - is that a foul? I think not.
As has been suggested before, if you want to play more tactical games, play more Original Snooker rather than Arcade.
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13:52 Tue 17 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
I can't explain my anger at the way the break has changed. The great asset that Arcade had was that it was a quickfire game. Now, everyone I play, just taps. Even virtuosos and it has become boring. Especially with the addition of Regular, I would have thought the break wouldn't have changed. The game has been ruined in my opinion, and I know I am not the only one who feels like this. However, congratulations I bet the average game has increased, which means more tactical play. How fun.
15:20 Tue 17 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
The break has changed? Hasn't power just been decreased or have I missed something? A while ago that I read this thread and I'm not going through it again
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19:02 Thu 19 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
i do think the number of 107s being hit has decreased because of the break change - not that iv hit one, but it seems that from a tapping opening to the framethe black is so often tied now, and that is not realistic or desired in my opinion
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07:00 Fri 20 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
Way too many frames now start with someone tapping. It's silly, and just wastes time. Obviously in real snooker you do tap, but you try and get the white safe, however in Arcade you can tap and leaving nothing on which makes the game last ages and reduces big breaks. Surely it is called Arcade for a reason?
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14:43 Fri 20 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
in response to all the posts, i cant see how anyone would have an issue with funky snooker
if you want an extremely tactical game play original
if you want to pot pot pot play killer
if you want a little bit of both play arcade / regular
i had some really good tactical games on arcade (especially toward the end of close frames)
cant wait until my skill level is high enough to play original but reg is helping me get there
the one thing i would like to say though is funky caters for all styles (and all level) of players to make it easy to stay playing for hours..
potting from break - only one thing to say on that - i keep potting the white!!!!!!!!!
if you want an extremely tactical game play original
if you want to pot pot pot play killer
if you want a little bit of both play arcade / regular
i had some really good tactical games on arcade (especially toward the end of close frames)
cant wait until my skill level is high enough to play original but reg is helping me get there
the one thing i would like to say though is funky caters for all styles (and all level) of players to make it easy to stay playing for hours..
potting from break - only one thing to say on that - i keep potting the white!!!!!!!!!
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18:24 Fri 20 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
I think we all know there are advantages and disadvantages of the first break off that you have. It has been said before, and you are as likely to pot a red off the break off than to miss.
It is a risk that is in the game of arcade that people have learned to work with, and you rarely will end up in prime position for a clean up. If you clear up from the break you are doing extremely well.
I totally agree with bigmerv1973 here, it is up to the player what type of game they would like to play. If you don't like the fact that you can pot off the break in arcade, don't play it.
It is a risk that is in the game of arcade that people have learned to work with, and you rarely will end up in prime position for a clean up. If you clear up from the break you are doing extremely well.
bigmerv1973 said:
if you want an extremely tactical game play original
if you want to pot pot pot play killer
if you want a little bit of both play arcade / regular
if you want to pot pot pot play killer
if you want a little bit of both play arcade / regular
I totally agree with bigmerv1973 here, it is up to the player what type of game they would like to play. If you don't like the fact that you can pot off the break in arcade, don't play it.
18:36 Fri 20 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
cant wait until my skill level is high enough to play original but reg is helping me get there
If you want to be good at original, maybe you should practise original?
Regular isn't a stepping stone to orig- it's a different game!
But I agree- it's MUCH harder!
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cant wait until my skill level is high enough to play original but reg is helping me get there
If you want to be good at original, maybe you should practise original?
Regular isn't a stepping stone to orig- it's a different game!
But I agree- it's MUCH harder!
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18:41 Fri 20 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
widlly off-topic here i know, but i dont like the phrase "hgiher skill" relating to original or regular, it is all relative, in fact to achieve a top 10 rank on arcade your skill level would have to be higher than for original, as more people play it, if you follow.
18:55 Fri 20 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
True, but you also need MUCH better eyesight lol
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19:22 Fri 20 Feb 09 (GMT) [Link]
I'm sorry zwitterion but regular is a stepping stone. Throughout my years playing funky I've always played arcade because a) I'm good at it and b) i got so bored of original because I was, quite frankly, awful. However now, regular has given me a chance to play with 'smaller balls' (no jokes please) and has made it much easier for me to play original; thus, making it a stepping stone.
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