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22:51 Sun 8 May 11 (BST) [Link]
well when i said my time i really meant yours/sebs but it also all the captains!
00:04 Mon 9 May 11 (BST) [Link]
yeah captains have to spend time chasing players etc.
23:36 Mon 9 May 11 (BST) [Link]
dgeneratio said:
Clan League Revamp
topics on discussion:
Transfer Window?
Should we have a transfer window still implemented so players can switch clans for 1 week
2 divisions?
IF all clans make it through should we have 2 divisions with new clans in division 2.
Possible Ideas -
Ranking System - this will be continued throughout the seasons (doesn't stop at end of each season) each person or clan (whichever you prefer) will start on base 100 and will win/lose points depending on how well you do in matches.
Seeded Cup - now we have the plate it is possible to do seeded cup like 1 v 5, 2 v 6, 3 v 7, 4 v 8 or even random but ones in cup semis will be in 1 randomiser and ones in plate semis will be in another.
Cup + League together - this has been debatable and still is but we could do cup with 1 week deadline and league for 2, would get the season over much quicker.
Lowering team base?
right now we have 17 but thinking of lowering it to 15.
Being in next season:
Defaults - we won't use the full 6 points if players aren't active or make no effort
Pre Season Friendly - 2 fixtures instead of one to ensure better analysis on ability to get games played.
Edited at 11:47 Sun 08/05/11 (BST)
topics on discussion:
Transfer Window?
Should we have a transfer window still implemented so players can switch clans for 1 week
2 divisions?
IF all clans make it through should we have 2 divisions with new clans in division 2.
Possible Ideas -
Ranking System - this will be continued throughout the seasons (doesn't stop at end of each season) each person or clan (whichever you prefer) will start on base 100 and will win/lose points depending on how well you do in matches.
Seeded Cup - now we have the plate it is possible to do seeded cup like 1 v 5, 2 v 6, 3 v 7, 4 v 8 or even random but ones in cup semis will be in 1 randomiser and ones in plate semis will be in another.
Cup + League together - this has been debatable and still is but we could do cup with 1 week deadline and league for 2, would get the season over much quicker.
Lowering team base?
right now we have 17 but thinking of lowering it to 15.
Being in next season:
Defaults - we won't use the full 6 points if players aren't active or make no effort
Pre Season Friendly - 2 fixtures instead of one to ensure better analysis on ability to get games played.
Edited at 11:47 Sun 08/05/11 (BST)
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23:54 Mon 9 May 11 (BST) [Link]
5 teams in each potentially so 4 matches for each clan with one bye each fixture set for two different clans however this will run better with 8
fixture sets- 3 or 4 for regular season so 6-8 weeks
playoffs- 2 sets of fixtures so 4 weeks
overall league time- 10-12 weeks
no views on this at all?
virt_slayer said:
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2 groups (not divisions) with a playoffs at the end?
Group A winners vs Group B runners up
Group B winners vs Group A runners up
Winner of match 1 vs winner of match 2
3rd place playoff
groups are randomnly selected at the start of each season
clan with the most points over the two groups at the end of the 'regular season' wins the regular season trophy
winners of playoffs get the clan league trophy
i think this gives more opportunity to lesser clans to get involved with the clan league trophy mix-up as well as shortening the league by a bit
each clan plays the people in their group twice/once (you can decide that) and this will of course run alongside the cup competition
Group A winners vs Group B runners up
Group B winners vs Group A runners up
Winner of match 1 vs winner of match 2
3rd place playoff
groups are randomnly selected at the start of each season
clan with the most points over the two groups at the end of the 'regular season' wins the regular season trophy
winners of playoffs get the clan league trophy
i think this gives more opportunity to lesser clans to get involved with the clan league trophy mix-up as well as shortening the league by a bit
each clan plays the people in their group twice/once (you can decide that) and this will of course run alongside the cup competition
5 teams in each potentially so 4 matches for each clan with one bye each fixture set for two different clans however this will run better with 8
fixture sets- 3 or 4 for regular season so 6-8 weeks
playoffs- 2 sets of fixtures so 4 weeks
overall league time- 10-12 weeks
no views on this at all?
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00:14 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
To be honest I think it really does all depend on numbers as to what way to go.
I think the Cup should remain random. How would you even seed it? (i'm guessing league positions atm)
The ranking system..Got a resounding 'No' I felt when I mentioned it. Although I may be able to dig it out of an old offline message.
Pre season friendly will always add time to the league, but is neccessary to determine stability.
I would say to leave the league as a normal league. The new cup format introduced by me and James for this season was designed to create shocks, and unpredictability, which I think it has done. This has made the Cup more of a lottery and I think it is good that the League and Cup are so different.
I think the Cup should remain random. How would you even seed it? (i'm guessing league positions atm)
The ranking system..Got a resounding 'No' I felt when I mentioned it. Although I may be able to dig it out of an old offline message.
Pre season friendly will always add time to the league, but is neccessary to determine stability.
I would say to leave the league as a normal league. The new cup format introduced by me and James for this season was designed to create shocks, and unpredictability, which I think it has done. This has made the Cup more of a lottery and I think it is good that the League and Cup are so different.
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00:21 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
its just the max players per clan that needs sorting, stop ppl jumping every two mins.need to set a reasonable amout like 10-15.
00:38 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
true moons but we almost did a famous D&C comeback.
i dont think it can be lower than 13 to be honest, cup 7 players so thats not bad, league is 9 players and thats where problem lies as not only do we need to accomodate for 9 players per fixture but substitutes as well
i dont think it can be lower than 13 to be honest, cup 7 players so thats not bad, league is 9 players and thats where problem lies as not only do we need to accomodate for 9 players per fixture but substitutes as well
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01:23 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
we had it in the bag dgen told my lads to go easy on you so you didnt feel too bad about losing
01:34 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
I'm also against seeding doe cup- randomness is good.
I would say anywhere between 13-15 players. I don't know if cutting it down to 13 would help solve the problem; you have to test it to see if it works.
Pre-season friendlies will definitely happen again. There's no way around them.
The ranking system is really up to you. You can run whatever you like, it just seems like a hell of a lot of work. I can create my own ranking system if I like, no one can stop me from posting it lol. So it's completely up to you. If you want to try it, maybe it will catch on- don't know.
I would also say leave the league as a normal league. If we get more than 8 clans, we'll split it into divisions.
Ex.: 9 clans:
Div1= 5 clans play each other once.
Div2= 4 clans play each other twice.
You can always play 1 cup and 1 league fixture each set, so that the league isn't over so quickly.
If we have 8 clans like this year, the schedule worked pretty well. Maybe cut down cup fixtures to 1 week, although that would have to be tested to see if they get played.
I would say anywhere between 13-15 players. I don't know if cutting it down to 13 would help solve the problem; you have to test it to see if it works.
Pre-season friendlies will definitely happen again. There's no way around them.
The ranking system is really up to you. You can run whatever you like, it just seems like a hell of a lot of work. I can create my own ranking system if I like, no one can stop me from posting it lol. So it's completely up to you. If you want to try it, maybe it will catch on- don't know.
I would also say leave the league as a normal league. If we get more than 8 clans, we'll split it into divisions.
Ex.: 9 clans:
Div1= 5 clans play each other once.
Div2= 4 clans play each other twice.
You can always play 1 cup and 1 league fixture each set, so that the league isn't over so quickly.
If we have 8 clans like this year, the schedule worked pretty well. Maybe cut down cup fixtures to 1 week, although that would have to be tested to see if they get played.
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01:36 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
they wont get played in one week this isnt pool not everyone lives on here
01:51 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
Clan League Revamp
Out:
Seeded Cup
Being in next season:
Defaults - we won't use the full 6 points if players aren't active or make no effort
Pre Season Friendly - 2 fixtures instead of one to ensure better analysis on ability to get games played.
Out:
Seeded Cup
Being in next season:
Defaults - we won't use the full 6 points if players aren't active or make no effort
Pre Season Friendly - 2 fixtures instead of one to ensure better analysis on ability to get games played.
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02:53 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
i dont!!! first time ive not managed to get my game played in all of my game, 6-0 was the right decision for me!
if id have played him it might have gone 6-0 the other way.
you cant give a point for making no effort what so ever?
go back to how it was i say!!! no need for a default team
if id have played him it might have gone 6-0 the other way.
you cant give a point for making no effort what so ever?
go back to how it was i say!!! no need for a default team
02:59 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
we mean jack say its like this...
whocares8x8
In Game Times 3
In Game Time: 1:00:00
Browsing Times 4
Browsing Time: 2:00:00
mooney
In Game Times: 4
In Game Time: 1:15:00
Browsing Times: 4
Browsing Time: 1:00:00
in that sense we wouldn't use all 6 points.
whocares8x8
In Game Times 3
In Game Time: 1:00:00
Browsing Times 4
Browsing Time: 2:00:00
mooney
In Game Times: 4
In Game Time: 1:15:00
Browsing Times: 4
Browsing Time: 1:00:00
in that sense we wouldn't use all 6 points.
03:21 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
lol jack, you got all 6...
as dgen explained, the situation is when both players dont make the effort. We had the case last week of one player with 0:00 logins including browsing. the other player had logged in once for a total of about 30 mins. he got 6-0... that should be 1-0 or 0-0.
So we want the option of not giving the full 6 points if neither player deserves them
as dgen explained, the situation is when both players dont make the effort. We had the case last week of one player with 0:00 logins including browsing. the other player had logged in once for a total of about 30 mins. he got 6-0... that should be 1-0 or 0-0.
So we want the option of not giving the full 6 points if neither player deserves them
15:29 Tue 10 May 11 (BST) [Link]
correct seb
another example...
_nut_case_
In Game Times 15
In Game Time: 18:30:00
Browsing Times 20
Browsing Time: 10:20:00
cue_power
In Game Times: 1
In Game Time: 00:15:00
Browsing Times: 3
Browsing Time: 00:30:00
in that sense it would more than likely be 6-0.
another example...
_nut_case_
In Game Times 15
In Game Time: 18:30:00
Browsing Times 20
Browsing Time: 10:20:00
cue_power
In Game Times: 1
In Game Time: 00:15:00
Browsing Times: 3
Browsing Time: 00:30:00
in that sense it would more than likely be 6-0.
18:03 Tue 17 May 11 (BST) [Link]
just to bump this up.
possibly coming for next season:
If anyone has more then 2 defaults in clan league without a legitimate reason may risk a ban of 1 fixture at discretion of league hosts.
possibly coming for next season:
If anyone has more then 2 defaults in clan league without a legitimate reason may risk a ban of 1 fixture at discretion of league hosts.
21:42 Tue 17 May 11 (BST) [Link]
another idea from cropped up from POOL.
have medals in golden cue, i know i tried this before and didn't work out but heres whats different.
1st in Golden Cue - Platinum
1st in tournament - Gold
2nd in tournament - Silver
Winner of 3rd Place Playoff - Bronze
thinking after Golden Cue the Top 4 will play in a Cup Style Game to decide who gets what medal.
have medals in golden cue, i know i tried this before and didn't work out but heres whats different.
1st in Golden Cue - Platinum
1st in tournament - Gold
2nd in tournament - Silver
Winner of 3rd Place Playoff - Bronze
thinking after Golden Cue the Top 4 will play in a Cup Style Game to decide who gets what medal.
15:30 Thu 19 May 11 (BST) [Link]
another thing what maybe coming...
Random Fixtures so instead of doing 1 v 1, 2 v 2, it can be any combination, same with cup.
this should put a stop to the match fixing
Random Fixtures so instead of doing 1 v 1, 2 v 2, it can be any combination, same with cup.
this should put a stop to the match fixing
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