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01:15 Sat 7 Aug 10 (BST) [Link] Well, in the same way that if you flip a coin you can't guarantee you will win the toss 50% of the time. It's 50% chance in principle alone.
Well that would be a solid waste of time. So you think the best way to resolve something that isn't even a problem is to invent a new snooker rule? Hmmmm.....
I found a version of the actual rule....
If the score is tied after the final black is potted, the black is "respotted" and the cue ball put "in hand". The referee will then toss a coin, with the player winning the toss choosing who will take first strike at the black.
I think that giving a 50% chance of getting the first shot is close enough to the actual rule (without having an animation of a coin toss or whatever). Whether or not it's the fairest way in your opinion is irrelevant. We are playing snooker here and should aim to play as close to the actual rules of snooker as possible.
cue_power said:
Even if each player was awarded the break off 50% of the time, (which is ridiculos to imply as no1 will get 50%)
cue_power said:
Also I'd like to point out...I played someone 4 times and we deliberately sent the game to a respot...the results were...
Me to break off - 0
Him to break off - 4
Can you really argue with that?
Me to break off - 0
Him to break off - 4
Can you really argue with that?
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So the fairest way is my previous post. So nobody loses/wins and the game is essentially a draw. No points are rewarded or deducted from either player. So there is no pot luck.
I found a version of the actual rule....
If the score is tied after the final black is potted, the black is "respotted" and the cue ball put "in hand". The referee will then toss a coin, with the player winning the toss choosing who will take first strike at the black.
I think that giving a 50% chance of getting the first shot is close enough to the actual rule (without having an animation of a coin toss or whatever). Whether or not it's the fairest way in your opinion is irrelevant. We are playing snooker here and should aim to play as close to the actual rules of snooker as possible.
08:56 Sat 7 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
but if it was in tourney you would have a draw and then it would have to go to black or why not have somert like who got the best break wins and goes through say
blue_devil vs virt_slayer
i get 57
he gets 50 i go through
only if it was a draw though
blue_devil vs virt_slayer
i get 57
he gets 50 i go through
only if it was a draw though
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14:58 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
That isnt actually a terrible idea,
And the part about the tourny, yea thats the prob with dez idea, what happens in a tourny? its pointless to DQ two players when they havent really broke any rules or guidelines..
And the part about the tourny, yea thats the prob with dez idea, what happens in a tourny? its pointless to DQ two players when they havent really broke any rules or guidelines..
15:19 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
James thats just pathetic tbh.
This isnt real snooker. Arcade has 10 reds...do you get me?
And btw your theory on the coin toss is a really bad example. This is the most used example for probability and in the end, on a larger scale its spose to display a real even outcome.
The fact you highlight paragraphs I say, for example the game ends in a draw....I already explained the game only lasts between 5-19 minutes, so its hardly a waste of time. And to be honest I doubt the majority of this site would even care that they are losing out on 'one' loss or 'one' win everytime this happens, which is very infequently!
Also James, do you know what software the site uses to determine the outcome of the respot? Do you know its fair?
Just like the software that decides who is white/yellow when playing carom in tournaments, or who decides to break in general game play.
Im pretty sure a thread was made ages ago about an individual that wasnt getting to take the break off much, which was then told he/she would recieve an even outcome on a larger scale.
Im going to take a guess and say thats the same for deciding on the respot which surely means the 50/50 literally means the outcome is 50/50 aswell as obviously being 50% to either get/not get the respot.
So James, I look forward to you disagreeing with anything else I say...you scrawny little maggot
This isnt real snooker. Arcade has 10 reds...do you get me?
And btw your theory on the coin toss is a really bad example. This is the most used example for probability and in the end, on a larger scale its spose to display a real even outcome.
The fact you highlight paragraphs I say, for example the game ends in a draw....I already explained the game only lasts between 5-19 minutes, so its hardly a waste of time. And to be honest I doubt the majority of this site would even care that they are losing out on 'one' loss or 'one' win everytime this happens, which is very infequently!
Also James, do you know what software the site uses to determine the outcome of the respot? Do you know its fair?
Just like the software that decides who is white/yellow when playing carom in tournaments, or who decides to break in general game play.
Im pretty sure a thread was made ages ago about an individual that wasnt getting to take the break off much, which was then told he/she would recieve an even outcome on a larger scale.
Im going to take a guess and say thats the same for deciding on the respot which surely means the 50/50 literally means the outcome is 50/50 aswell as obviously being 50% to either get/not get the respot.
So James, I look forward to you disagreeing with anything else I say...you scrawny little maggot
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19:24 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link] ^^ Saying that is pathetic. I gave my reasons without feeling the need to get personal, something which you are seemingly incapable of.
I didn't say it was "real" snooker. Clearly it's not "real" snooker in the literal sense. However, it doesn't need to be real snooker for the official rules to be relevant.
I can't see how it's a bad example. In theory a coin toss has 50% chance of going either way, in the same way that in theory the re-spot has 50% chance of going either way. That's the only similarity necessary for the example to be successful.
If you don't think anyone cares about one win or loss, then why would it even need changing?
I think you'll find you started this one Derrick!
Ring any bells?
Edited at 00:27 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
cue_power said:
James thats just pathetic tbh.
cue_power said:
This isnt real snooker. Arcade has 10 reds..do you get me?
cue_power said:
And btw your theory on the coin toss is a really bad example.This is the most used example for probability and in the end, on a larger scale its spose to display a real even outcome
cue_power said:
And to be honest I doubt the majority of this site would even care that they are losing out on 'one' loss or 'one' win everytme this happens, which is very infequently!
cue_power said:
So James, I look forward to you disagreeing with anything else I say..you scrawny little maggot
cue_power said:
Basically I completely disagree with buddytobud and Jaaaames
Ring any bells?
Edited at 00:27 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
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19:26 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link] No I don't. It's an obvious assumption to make though. Maybe someone could confirm whether or not the chance of getting the re-spot on the black is 50%...
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Also James, do you know what software the site uses to determine the outcome of the respot? Do you know its fair?
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19:26 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
fair play jamesy boy
good points. well made.
good points. well made.
19:57 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
Tbh James Im not being personal. It isnt my fault if your over-sensative and took it personally.
What annoys me tho is that you quote me, then write a little garbage underneath to make it seem as im wrong, when in fact what you write after it has no relevance to what my point was in association with.
The quote where you I say about it being real...it was your point in the first place, saying that "this is a real snooker rule blah blah its a snooker site blah blah" I simply pointed out that not everything needs to be the same as the official snooker rules. So you quote me, type something to disagree with it or try to make it look silly...when infact you just contradict yourself. Ovbiously I see it bcoz Im in the conversation but others might not.
The points you highlight are very silly to.
When you type something James, I dont think you actually register it. So when I comment on you without using quotes, you then disagree with me...but your disagreeing with your own disagreements =\.
Which indicates you just like disagreeing.
I still dont understand why you always do this to everyone.
Just bcoz you only painted the kitchen 3 months ago, doesnt mean you cant paint it again
What annoys me tho is that you quote me, then write a little garbage underneath to make it seem as im wrong, when in fact what you write after it has no relevance to what my point was in association with.
The quote where you I say about it being real...it was your point in the first place, saying that "this is a real snooker rule blah blah its a snooker site blah blah" I simply pointed out that not everything needs to be the same as the official snooker rules. So you quote me, type something to disagree with it or try to make it look silly...when infact you just contradict yourself. Ovbiously I see it bcoz Im in the conversation but others might not.
The points you highlight are very silly to.
When you type something James, I dont think you actually register it. So when I comment on you without using quotes, you then disagree with me...but your disagreeing with your own disagreements =\.
Which indicates you just like disagreeing.
I still dont understand why you always do this to everyone.
Just bcoz you only painted the kitchen 3 months ago, doesnt mean you cant paint it again
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20:12 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link] I wasn't bothered by it, you just seem to think the only way to win a debate is to get personal.
Give me an example of where I've taken anything you've said out of context, because I don't think I have, and that certainly wasn't the intention. The only reason I quote parts of your post and then reply that way is because you make a few points in the same post, so I'm just structuring my response.
I didn't say it was real snooker in the literal sense which is what your point was based on (I didn't even say it was "real" snooker). All I said was "We are playing snooker here...", so it seems you're the one trying to change my words.
cue_power said:
Tbh James Im not being personal. It isnt my fault if your over-sensative and took it personally.
cue_power said:
What annoys me tho is that you quote me, then write a little garbage underneath to make it seem as im wrong, when in fact what you write after it has no relevance to what my point was in association with.
cue_power said:
The quote where you I say about it being real...it was your point in the first place, saying that "this is a real snooker rule blah blah its a snooker site blah blah" I simply pointed out that not everything needs to be the same as the official snooker rules. So you quote me, type something to disagree with it or try to make it look silly...when infact you just contradict yourself. Ovbiously I see it bcoz Im in the conversation but others might not.
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20:20 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
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Seems to me you are being personal and you've managed to take this completely off topic. Maybe next time you could actually respond to my points without just saying "that's pathetic james...you just like disagreeing".
Edited at 02:07 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
cue_power said:
Tbh James Im not being personal.
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cue_power said:
James thats just pathetic tbh.
cue_power said:
So James, I look forward to you disagreeing with anything else I say...you scrawny little maggot
cue_power said:
Which indicates you just like disagreeing.
I still dont understand why you always do this to everyone.
I still dont understand why you always do this to everyone.
cue_power said:
Just bcoz you only painted the kitchen 3 months ago, doesnt mean you cant paint it again
Seems to me you are being personal and you've managed to take this completely off topic. Maybe next time you could actually respond to my points without just saying "that's pathetic james...you just like disagreeing".
Edited at 02:07 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
20:29 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
Right hang on let me get this right...
You want me to address you and your points...
But I cant directly respond to you as you deem it personal?
Lol? There you go again with your super duper contradiction.
No point trying to have a 'debate/conversation/discussion' with you at all. If I were to say the the sky was blue, you would say it was black. If I said the sun was yellow, you would say its orange.
Cba with you tbh, you get to wrapped up in all of this. You take it so seriously.
jaaaames said:
Seems to me you are being personal and you've managed to take this completely off topic. Maybe next time you could actually respond to my points without just saying "that's pathetic james...you just like disagreeing".
Right hang on let me get this right...
You want me to address you and your points...
But I cant directly respond to you as you deem it personal?
Lol? There you go again with your super duper contradiction.
No point trying to have a 'debate/conversation/discussion' with you at all. If I were to say the the sky was blue, you would say it was black. If I said the sun was yellow, you would say its orange.
Cba with you tbh, you get to wrapped up in all of this. You take it so seriously.
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20:40 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
Feel free to address my points directly, that's the whole idea, and it's definitely not the same thing as getting personal with me. So there's no contradiction there I'm afraid.
There's no point trying to have a debate with me?? Every time I've disagreed with one of your points I've given you pretty clear reasons and addressed your points one at a time...something which you haven't really done at all.
I posted on here before you did, and then you posted directly saying you disagree with me. So implying that I am just disagreeing with everything you say for the sake of it doesn't hold much water.
Edited at 01:51 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
There's no point trying to have a debate with me?? Every time I've disagreed with one of your points I've given you pretty clear reasons and addressed your points one at a time...something which you haven't really done at all.
I posted on here before you did, and then you posted directly saying you disagree with me. So implying that I am just disagreeing with everything you say for the sake of it doesn't hold much water.
Edited at 01:51 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
20:53 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
Okiee dokie Jim. You sit there and argue with yourself mate
Not as if i care. Your plastic, the way you type and use of puncuation and act as if your some sort of scientist. I can disagree with your posts and i dont need to give them reasons. I try to explain why i disagree....by giving my opinion on what i feel it should be.
At the end of the day your the one being in my opinion provokative by being a prat. I dont need to give reasons, the way you type in pm and the way you type in forums makes you look like a clown in my eyes. Pretending to be something special? Are you going for funkysnooker rep or something?
Very irritating.
Not as if i care. Your plastic, the way you type and use of puncuation and act as if your some sort of scientist. I can disagree with your posts and i dont need to give them reasons. I try to explain why i disagree....by giving my opinion on what i feel it should be.
At the end of the day your the one being in my opinion provokative by being a prat. I dont need to give reasons, the way you type in pm and the way you type in forums makes you look like a clown in my eyes. Pretending to be something special? Are you going for funkysnooker rep or something?
Very irritating.
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21:00 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link] I'm responding to your posts.
Now you're calling me a prat and taking the **** out of my (correct) punctuation? I thought you said....
Of course I talk differently in PMs and on the forum. Just like when I'm in an exam I don't write the same as how I talk every day. There's nothing shocking or "plastic" about that.
Oh...and it's got nothing to do with any of the points I've made, so you are just proving my point here Derry.
Edited at 02:23 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
cue_power said:
Okiee dokie Jim. You sit there and argue with yourself mate
Now you're calling me a prat and taking the **** out of my (correct) punctuation? I thought you said....
cue_power said:
Tbh James Im not being personal.
Of course I talk differently in PMs and on the forum. Just like when I'm in an exam I don't write the same as how I talk every day. There's nothing shocking or "plastic" about that.
Oh...and it's got nothing to do with any of the points I've made, so you are just proving my point here Derry.
Edited at 02:23 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
21:02 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG he is so bold
jaaaames said:
Now you're calling me a prat and taking the **** out of my (correct) punctuation? I thought you said....
Of course I talk differently in PMs and on the forum. Just like when I'm in an exam I don't write the same as how I talk every day. There's nothing shocking or "plastic" about that.
cue_power said:
Tbh James Im not being personal.
Of course I talk differently in PMs and on the forum. Just like when I'm in an exam I don't write the same as how I talk every day. There's nothing shocking or "plastic" about that.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG he is so bold
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21:03 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link]
are you in an exam jammy boy? i dont think so...
(bubbles)
Edited at 02:07 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
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Edited at 02:07 Tue 10/08/10 (BST)
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21:06 Mon 9 Aug 10 (BST) [Link] Bold?
That's because it was an example.
2hot2handle said:
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG he is so bold
virt_slayer said:
are you in an exam jammy boy? i dont think so...
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