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whocares8x8
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02:37 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Having just read through the rules again, I did notice a fairly important detail which has not been implemented here: the bonus only increases to 100 and 200 points if the cents happen in consecutive frames! If you hit centuries in the first and third frame, you still only get 50 for the cent hit in the third frame.
I would be in favor of introducing this here, since it would lessen the advantage of breaking first a little bit...
whocares8x8
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02:38 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
qpounder_ said:
no you dont

i just hit the wrong ball and my opponent did not get ball in hand

Correct!
You're supposed to get ball in hand on every foul shot, not just when the white is potted (which is currently the case).
Good spot mate
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03:04 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
iv just played a game i was in front by 2 the timer hit zero i hit the ball balls rolling about few seconds at least 2 then it gives my opponent another shot pots and wins after the clock has stoped

robbery should not happen
whocares8x8
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03:14 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Cant find that mentioned in the rules, but if the shot is played before the timer hits 0, there is always another shot at the end (same with power play).

The two big ones that might need changing are the ball in hand for all fouls and 100/200 bonus only on centuries in consecutive breaks.
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03:20 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
the game is over when the time is up even if someone is about to play a shot it should just end never mind letting someone have another shot when the clocks on zero
it hit zero as i hit my shot then gave my opponent another

Edited at 01:26 Tue 11/01/11 (GMT)
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04:29 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
can we have the option to change the shot time to 10 seconds please i like to play 10 seconds so i dont have to play people who take all 20 every shot

especially when its just to waist time so i cant get back to the table

anyway if its suppose to be 20 sec in 30 min 10 sec in 15 min makes sence lol
dgeneratio
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12:21 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
Cant find that mentioned in the rules, but if the shot is played before the timer hits 0, there is always another shot at the end (same with power play).

The two big ones that might need changing are the ball in hand for all fouls and 100/200 bonus only on centuries in consecutive breaks.

and the breakoff rule where you don't hit 2 reds on cushions, needs to be a foul imo as it opens up tapping and it gives your opponent the advantage when it should be other way around.
whocares8x8
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12:27 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
although that's not against the rules... why would a ball in hand help here?
dgeneratio
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12:31 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
didnt say ball in hand, a 20 point penalty with option to play again or make your opponent play again from where white lands.
whocares8x8
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12:34 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Oh right. You mentioned it should be a foul which would mean ball in hand.
I'm happy when someone taps on first shot, because you're odds on to pot if you smash it up. I think they're actually robbing themselves of the advantage to hit twice.
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12:47 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
yeah but in my case opponent actually snookered me off break and 2 balls never hit cushion so he didnt go again.
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16:29 Tue 11 Jan 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
yeah but in my case opponent actually snookered me off break and 2 balls never hit cushion so he didnt go again.


well then they are simply swaping one advantage for another its not a foul unless they snooker you without hitting a red then it should be ball in hand

2 balls hitting the cush are just for a second shot if they choose not to then they are silly power snooks is for a fast paced action game not a snooker fest hence the ball in hand rule after a foul that needs introducing

Edited at 14:50 Tue 11/01/11 (GMT)
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01:08 Fri 4 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Dunno if this has been mentioned, but when the powerplay ends, there is one more shot before that disappears. When you pot a ball during that time, it will be normal points. However, if you foul, you will concede DOUBLE points. That does not make sense, and should be fixed.
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10:45 Fri 4 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
It is a deliberate part of the rules.

If you shoot with seconds left on the clock then regardless of if the timer runs out you get another shot.
dgeneratio
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13:02 Fri 4 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
yeah but what he means is it should either be double points (with the 1 extra shot) when you pot a ball or it should be single points for foul to make it even.
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13:16 Fri 4 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
I thought it was double points when the timer was on 0.00 on the last shot of a powerplay. Thats how I remember it anyway
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13:18 Fri 4 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
i think if you shoot before 0:00 it counts as double if you shoot on 0:00 or after its single.

not sure what happens with fouls though.
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15:07 Fri 4 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
I tried AFTER the timer when down to 0 seconds. Still double points when foul, but single points when scored.
whocares8x8
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20:42 Fri 4 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Summary of "issues" for Nick:
1. All fouls should be ball in hand according to the rules, not just potting white.

2. 100/200 bonus points should only be awarded on centuries in consecutive frames. If there is a frame in between, it goes to +50 again.

3. When power play reaches 0, the last shot should either count double and foul double, or count single and foul single. At the moment it counts single and fouls double.
adam_147
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16:56 Fri 11 Feb 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
I would still say the time limit needs adjusting. I have just played a good player in the tournament and he broke first. he just edged me on frame 1, 70-50 or something, then i took the 2nd one 95-10ish. we both play at a similar speed but i knew he wouldnt miss in the 3rd so the only thing i could do was to try to take the full 20s on each shot and play safe to run the clock down. even doing this i still left 3 minutes which was easily enough for him to win the match.

The tactics i tried are unsporting and im sure that they arent what the game is trying to encourage, but as more people become able to break and clear easily it will happen more.

I would say the average frame time should be worked out and then multiplied by 4 so there is a chance for an even number of break-off shots each. Rather like in carom it is set to always give an even number of innings so break isnt a big advantage.

and no im not just annoyed cos i lost to derry after he hadnt played for like 3 years or something . haha
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