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04:45 Sat 12 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
I didn't realise mattywellie had become a moderator
04:45 Sat 12 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
@first post, I was meaning for each individual game type not overall. So if I hit a 107 (arc), 125 (reg), 87 (orig), 12 run (carom) for example the I would at that time be virt in arc, pro in reg, adept in orig, pro in carom.
@second post, there will always be exceptions lol, and I suspect he had hit a max on a club table somewhere before that?
@second post, there will always be exceptions lol, and I suspect he had hit a max on a club table somewhere before that?
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08:01 Sat 12 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
What about a me?
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i never at any point made an assertion, claim or assumption that breaks in real life reflect ranks. i stated that any self respecting professional in real life can make a century break. I am not saying they do all the time, just that they have the ability to. Conversely a lot of professionals on here do not have the ability to. A title like that should reflect ability in the game, not being able to play a 600 rank 200 times and win 198 of them.
All i am trying to do is to think of a way to bring the skill back into the game. I could train a monkey to make a 60 break in arcade potting baulk colours, but it doesnt mean my monkey is a professional snooker player. He would win a lot of games, but it doesn't mean he is a good player.
Look back at the old top players and how many maxes they have hit and compare that to the people at the moment. If you want to, take their games per max count if difference in games is big (resetters not included).
All i am trying to do is to think of a way to bring the skill back into the game. I could train a monkey to make a 60 break in arcade potting baulk colours, but it doesnt mean my monkey is a professional snooker player. He would win a lot of games, but it doesn't mean he is a good player.
Look back at the old top players and how many maxes they have hit and compare that to the people at the moment. If you want to, take their games per max count if difference in games is big (resetters not included).
What about a me?
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22:43 Sun 13 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
I can see the basis behind this idea Adam, but Snooker isn't just about breaks, it's all about getting the result.
A player might have a highest break of 91, but makes an unbeaten run of 50 odd games, and wins himself 80 odd ranking points to get to Virtuoso - you're saying that just because he hasn't hit a century/maximum, he shouldn't be awarded the rank of Virtuoso? I don't agree with that.
And I have to say, if this was to come in, and your ranking rules were to be used, they are setting the bar a little high IMO...
A player might have a highest break of 91, but makes an unbeaten run of 50 odd games, and wins himself 80 odd ranking points to get to Virtuoso - you're saying that just because he hasn't hit a century/maximum, he shouldn't be awarded the rank of Virtuoso? I don't agree with that.
And I have to say, if this was to come in, and your ranking rules were to be used, they are setting the bar a little high IMO...
23:03 Sun 13 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
I would personally say that a title like 'virtuoso' should be for the most skillful players, not those who churn out results. Why do people talk about Ste, destiny and dame as the best in the game? It's not because they churn out 70 breaks and win everything, but because they have the ability to make a high break from pretty much any situation. THAT is what deserves the title 'virtuoso'. The free online thesaurus/dictionary defines virtuoso as "someone who is dazzlingly skilled in any field." No offense but a 60 break doesn't take dazzling skill. A max however does require a great deal of skill.
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23:07 Sun 13 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
Maybe something like you cant get over 850 without a century and cant go over 900 without hitting a max, might need more thought about it but i cba to go in to it more, some1 else can lol.
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00:01 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
i didnt think me reaching virt would be that much of a big deal really ...
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00:03 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
o and btw mark williams won a tournament without hitting a cent in the whole tournament his highest was an 88 .... and he also reached a final last year that he lost against john higgins without hitting a cent but you would say he is one of the greats to play the game :D
00:10 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
think its fair to say that an 88 in real life with realistic potting/cushion shots/spin etc is significantly more difficult than making an 88 on an online game with simplified spin, ability to make impossible cuts and no punishment for sloppy position on cushions/other balls.
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01:35 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
A bit like the virt you were on about without a max? :\
Think it's a good idea but without trying to brag lol I've had 1 game 1 max a few times.... thinking it would look a bit strange being a virt after just one game maybe lol.... if that's what you meant anyway I haven't really read it all haha
But yeah anyway, anything to get people to go for the big breaks I support I guess...
Maybe it could be a mix of achievements you need to get whatever title..... ?
Edited at 23:39 Sun 13/03/11 (GMT)
adam_147 said:
@first post, I was meaning for each individual game type not overall. So if I hit a 107 (arc), 125 (reg), 87 (orig), 12 run (carom) for example the I would at that time be virt in arc, pro in reg, adept in orig, pro in carom.
@second post, there will always be exceptions lol, and I suspect he had hit a max on a club table somewhere before that?
@second post, there will always be exceptions lol, and I suspect he had hit a max on a club table somewhere before that?
A bit like the virt you were on about without a max? :\
Think it's a good idea but without trying to brag lol I've had 1 game 1 max a few times.... thinking it would look a bit strange being a virt after just one game maybe lol.... if that's what you meant anyway I haven't really read it all haha
But yeah anyway, anything to get people to go for the big breaks I support I guess...
Maybe it could be a mix of achievements you need to get whatever title..... ?
Edited at 23:39 Sun 13/03/11 (GMT)
01:42 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
you would have to lose newbie first of course... .
Amazing how those who havnt hit the big breaks dont like it and those who can do like it. never saw that coming...
Amazing how those who havnt hit the big breaks dont like it and those who can do like it. never saw that coming...
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01:51 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
oh yeah didnt think of that lol..
hah yeah funny that eh
hah yeah funny that eh
01:56 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
what do you mean by a mix of achievements? rank + break?
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01:57 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
Yeah something like that lol couldn't be bothered to go in any more detail..
just gets boring seeing people who think they're amazing cos they're virt when they can only manage a cent every like 1 in 300 games... :\
just gets boring seeing people who think they're amazing cos they're virt when they can only manage a cent every like 1 in 300 games... :\
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02:58 Mon 14 Mar 11 (GMT) [Link]
Lol, I expected better from you *shakes head*
adam_147 said:
you would have to lose newbie first of course... .
Amazing how those who havnt hit the big breaks dont like it and those who can do like it. never saw that coming...
Amazing how those who havnt hit the big breaks dont like it and those who can do like it. never saw that coming...
Lol, I expected better from you *shakes head*
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