Seen that video earlier, and it is far more shocking in my opinion than any great big fire, or people breaking into ladbrokes and stealing the tele etc...

My point earlier is that those who cannot find (for what ever reason) legitimate means of earning money, they will find illegitimate ones.

A person injured is an easy target, and you can see the fella who was helping the guy up suddenly help rob him instead.

You have to feel sorry (IMO) for somebody who can do that to another person.

Totally agree.

For me, having a sister who is doing 12 hour shifts as a police officer to prevent this, its a lot more serious.

There is nothing that can even inch an ounce of justice into what is happening, its totally out of order and what gives people a right to go and do what they are doing?

If my sister is stabbed, shot, murdered or injured, does that give me the right to go and destroy a city and put the country into turmoil.

For a group of youths to set fire to a building, once lite stand back and watch it burn to then have 3 children run to the front bedroom window crying because their house is on fire, and their life is at risk, to then just run away... thats attempted murder and should be at least 12 years in prision. Even if the countrys to blame, politicians, bankers or whoever you point the finger at, it certainly wasn't those 3 little children who were screaming out of a window for help.

Some people seriously need a reality check, "entertaining T.V" are you joking?

The "reasons" for the rioting is because job cuts, no oppitunities, no hope, no money, no funding... Yet they are going out destroying property? Its at an estimate 16million pounds this damage and its us that will have to pay for it. So its all completely useless and is having a negative affect on their motives.

My entertaining tv comment was laced with irony. Though it is entertaining t.v, and as such the media will never tire of showing it.

I switched on Sky Sports News, and in the hour I watched, the riots must have taken up 50 minutes, SSN showing the rioting.

If the media stopped showing the riots and giving them the attention they want then it would stop pretty quickly.

As it is I bet they sat at home this afternoon listening to 24 hour news getting the country in a panic over them, and I bet they loved it.

It was the same with the Norway attacks. The fella who did it got the attention he craved, and I bet there are others who seeing the attention he got would happily do the same!

I don't know the names of any of those people who died that day, just the fella who did it. That is the news for you!

Anyhow...

The victim of a police shooting did not fire at officers before he was killed, according to a report by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

An IPCC ballistics report said there was "no evidence" that a handgun found near where Mark Duggan was shot by armed officers had been used.

The death sparked the first night of rioting in London in Tottenham.

The 29-year-old died after receiving a gunshot to the chest on Thursday night.

His family issued a statement saying: "We feel completely gutted. Someone must be made accountable for this. We can't believe that they can do this. "In this day and age this is completely unacceptable. We are very, very angry and we want answers now from the police."

Also, this is a fantastic piece on the riots, I would urge anyone to read it!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/comment/talking-politics/no-politics-today-084521728.html

Edited at 05:31 Wed 10/08/11 (BST)

Cameron looked at Clegg, chuckled and said, "You know, I could throw a £1,000 note out of the window right now and make somebody very happy." Clegg shrugged his shoulders and replied, "I could throw ten £100 notes out of the window and make ten people very happy" Hearing their exchange, the pilot of plane said to his co-pilot,"Such big-shots back there. I could throw both of them out of the window and make 28 million people very happy!" lmfao

LMAO!

And it's so right

Nowt to do with politics this guys, The only politics i have heard out of this is sqeaky miliband and Boris Johnstone asking the goverment to review its cuts on the police.

Blame the parents of these yobs.

why blame parents?

if i went and joined in this terrorist activity it would be your choice so you suffer the punishment.

maybe they did have a rough background i don't know but you can't honestly blame parents when its their kids fault especially innocent parents who wouldn't join in.

Any parent who is letting there Under 16 year old child out to rob, set fire and chuck bricks at the police has failed as parents. There is no doubt about that.
Problem is some of these parents would have just had these kids to get a bit more income if you get me...

But then some parents bring up there children brilliantly and they just get in with the wrong crowd which is where it could be unfair to blame the parents.

But overall if you seen your Son/Daughter trashing up your community you will feel let down.

true, if it was my kid i would drag them away as quickly as possible.

i know it isn't vandalism but it for the innocent parents, it feels like when your kid gets into smoking by peer pressure.

most of that crowd the parents can be blamed as they could have raised their child to be that way and the small minority may have joined in through peer pressure.

sad but its probably the truth.

4 deaths, elderly person in hospital with serious injuries, many police in hospital after being attacked.

Seriously this needs to stop now.

yeah i told my mum what you told me yesterday about liverpool town centre, she didn't believe me at first then it appeared on sky news, happening in tons of players and if it continues im afraid england will be nothing more then war and carnage.

There is not 1 specific blame that can be pointed.

It is a combustion of many things that has sparked this chaos.


In order to deal with the situation fully we need to properly undersand how and why it first came about. As 2good said on Page 1, some feel they have no hope and future so what have they got to lose? Society has failed them.

Education system, society as a whole, goverment cuts in the wrong place, parents should have more discipline. There are many things that can be argued for this.

also bringing canes back into schools

in schools nowadays you can get away with anything so they may think that here, if they can feel the punishment in schools maybe they could as adults too?

The media were reporting yesterday about big trouble in Merseyside and Manchester.

Don't know about Manchester, but my mate in Smithdown (area of Liverpool where the rioting is supposedly at its worst) said that there was pretty much nothing happening.

Quite clear the media were told to try and take some of the attention from off of our capital city last night.

We don't need canes back in schools or any other form of child abuse.

I do not see rioting on the streets of knightbridge, everyone on the streets are the working class poor. Tottenham, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool. Poor, working class, deprived areas.

Doesn't mean that those rioting (not looting - totally different) are money motivated.



Edited at 13:25 Wed 10/08/11 (BST)

The impression I'm getting from mates in that area was that it was more just cars being set alight, think the main issue was the attacks on the fire engines that had come to try to and put out the fires.

Yeah, sounds like a normal day on Merseyside to me

Although London was relatively quiet last night due to a higher police presence, I suspect the rioters will come back as soon as the police numbers dissipate. There is no way those sort of numbers of police can be sustained over a long period of time

I think it will start dying down now, the threat of water cannon will either deter or inspire rioters.

I don't think water cannon will be used, at least not for a few days, but they have said now that it could be used, and within 24 hours.

Expect more rioting tonight, and less on Friday I reckon.

Edited at 13:35 Wed 10/08/11 (BST)

Aye pretty much , it's more all the rumours of where their ment to be going or what their doing.

Think the scaremongers are making the situation twice as bad as it is here.