I'm sure it's been discussed before, however..

You snooker your opponent but they make no attempt to get out of it. Instead roll the ball to a safe location. You've all seen it.

Even some highly ranked players who have no need to resort to this foul play still persist in doing so.

Is this just an acceptable practice and a blind eye is turned?

It would need a foul and a miss rule to come into place, and a system cannot really rule on what is, and what is not a deliberate attempt to miss the object ball.

thats how I see it anyway.

Its part of the game, so whats wrong with it? If by rolling the ball to a safe location, you mean they purposely foul, why not make them take the shot again..?

If they fail to get out of the snooker, they will have fouled, so you can simply make them play again.

In the real game this would of course be a miss, however as has been discussed (a quick forum search will show you) automatic detection of what is or is not a valid attempt is impossible. It is a matter of referree's judgement.

(edit - apologies for the feeling of deja-vu)

It is a shame that this happens. Unfortunately there is not a lot that can be done about it seeing as it is impossible to implement the 'Miss' rule (covered many times).

However, if as you say it is a safe location, then you can force them to play again and hopefully give you a chance. Not ideal but the best that can be achieved under the circumstances.

Edit: same as spinner - lot of responses all at the same time lol

You completely miss the point.

The aim is to try and make this game as realistic as possible. In deliberately fouling, you're effectively cheating in real time snooker.

It's a sportsmanship thing, playing the game if you like.

I'm probably just old fashioned.

Go ahead, win at all costs.

Sorry to say that bad sportsmanship is actually more realistic than it should be - I'm with you on the sentiments. However, as myself and others have pointed out there is no way to stop it happening. Fortunately the majority of members on here are pretty reasonable in that respect but, like most aspects of life, there are the few that aren't and, as you say, want to win at all costs.

i dont see the problem with it, at all. if they play it out to the side and you can pot after they do so then you pot and carry on, if they play out and nothings on for you then you make them play again.. you win either way.

can see the views from all angles here .........

however, sportsmanship is something thats has annoyed me since i started using the site........(there will probably be a post now to say if I dont like it then leave as this is the mentality lately)

oliver, you will never win on this mate because rather than trying to make it a discussion, people "in authority" just post that you "SHOULD GET ON WITH IT".....

What I try to do now mate is only play players that I know wont deliberately cheat therefore meaning all rules are observed......

If you check out my previous threads on bad sportsmanship and foul on black you can see what I mean.........in both cases the answer was "NOTHING CAN BE DONE SO SPEED UP!!!!!!!"etc etc etc

I appreciate like yourself that some things are too hard to be implemented in funky snooker however, if people were to learn the rules properly (ie some "in authority" didnt even know that when the black was fouled the game automatically ended) and not cheat they wouldnt need to be implemented!!!!!!

bigmerv, if ya don't like it then leave

Nah seriously, shame it happens, but nothing can be done about it and thats the bottom line, unless you get a lot of people to be 'referees' for each game, but i don't see that happening lol.

I nominate bigmerv1973 to be the first Snooker ref.

As the first and only snooker ref, you have to be on 24/7 watching every single game.

You reckon you're up for it? . Seriously though, to get someone to just sit and watch every single game as a referee, Nick would probably have to pay them, so I don't see it happening anytime soon

That's the problem, how is some programming code going to decide wether someone has purposely fouled or not? It's not a case of that area of the game being missed out (As you hinted at when saying it's supposed to be realistic), but how is the game supposed to be able to class wether someone has committed a foul on purpose or not?

lol guys - thats why i made the decision to only play guys that I know are playing honestly.....

that way I will NEVER need to post another negative comment about an opponent again

unless that is of course they have a logo i dont like, talk too much, beat me, fluke a red etc etc etc etc lol

Indeed

What I will say though, is that the miss rule now basically applies to any foul that is committed. However this is done on the grounds that a player hasn't gone for the simplest path to escape the snooker- not that he intended to miss it. Which still leaves us with the same problem of how can the system tell???

Deliberately fouling is as bad as a dive in football imo, but just like a dive in football, you'll never get rid of it happening but it doesn't mean it is a highly unsporting act of conduct!

I don't like it personally so if it happens to me i finish the game then don't play them anymore.

I don't see a harm in it I've done it on many occasions and i know a few "top" players who do so as well! If I'm snookered and i think if i go for the ball i will leave him on, then ill play it safe. It's called "using your head!". Might as well make the most of it as its not against the rules. Actually if i play against a player who does that to me i step it up a bit as i know I'm playing against someone who's on the same mind set as me

If you don't like it then awwwwwww!

I do it.

Just like a pushout on 9ball, and it takes some tacical skill, as you don't want to leave something on, or be in to much trouble if your put back in

Admittedly, apart from killer, i have never once encountered this situation in the 4 years or so i have been playing these two sites.

Guess i'm lucky

Besides, it sounds like a tactical move to me.

I'm so pleased you took the bait and outed yourself because you were one of the cheats I was referring too.

Oh and congratulations for your restraint. This is one of the few posts in which I can remember that you haven't reminded us all how good you used to be.