It just wets the appetite for the start of them prem, nothing can be learnt from a penalty win, and no reason for Chelsea to feel happy or Utd to feel gutted that they have lost. It doesn't count as a true trophy.

In 2001 we won the treble, and that was not counting the shield.

Edited at 00:37 Mon 10/08/09 (BST)

But it did include the Worthington (League/Carling) Cup, which you just said that you don't care about either.

Lets face it, it was the ultimate mickey mouse treble. But where we were back then it was a great season. Now though, if we just won the UEFA cup and the Carling cup I'd be well gutted.

Definitely the UEFA cup lol.

te list is this

1) Prem
2) European Cup
3) Fa cup
4) Carling Cup
5) Super cup/club champions/charity shield
6) Paint cup

Am going to Wembley in 19 days time, and there will be more to watch the rugby league - about 85,000 than there was to watch the 2 of the best teams in the prem.

Edited at 12:13 Mon 10/08/09 (BST)

LMAOOOO - funny tha!

WTF!? :S

lol...

It was in the rapid vienna friendly. I was peeing myself laughing

Just watched your on sky sports (i say just it was hoursss ago...)

If positivity won you the league title we're fighting relegation. I tell ya the amount of Irish miserable Liverpool fans questioning our signings already... pfffffftttttt

we're gonna win the league!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish people could question our signings! I wish Lescott would hurry up an go! He's a disgrace, ill boo him until he leaves this club! Transfer request!! After what we have done for him, we made him... after shaky games we stuck with him! Arghh just please get him out of this football club we don't need players like him, we need committed players, especially with this stick think squad of ours!

Mike, i think Johnson is a terrific signing. Not heard or seen much of the other guy, looks promising tho.

Well Johnson is good going forward, bit dodgy at the back, he was poor yesterday, Babbel kept skipping past him. Aquilaini is injury prone - think its 20 games in 2 seasons hes played, and is injured for 2 months. How can you pass a medical if your already injured? :|

Chelsea are my title favs this year, - just, but teams seem to be weakening - except City hmmmmmmmm

Lescott has a nerve though to hand in a request, I think he'd be better off staying at Everton, especially cos its world cup season. Guarenteed starting place.

Edited at 12:16 Thu 13/08/09 (BST)

auqulani does look good to be fair, he's no alonso though. And johnson got tore to shreds by BABEL last night the absolute donkey that is BABEL so that looks promising.

And ste it's Moyes that's not letting him go he ripped up the request of transfer!

Yepp ano, moyes should let him go and move on.

Edited at 12:20 Thu 13/08/09 (BST)

saints to win division 1

does anybody know the scores of the prem matches?????????????

To all those who don't want to know the scores, don't click...

lol nice 1 mate i have to watch motd now!!! omg them scores are unbelivable talk about taking the mick!!!!

Everton started another season well I see...

6-1... :|.

Can't wait for when Moyesy takes over at United, so tactically naive at times!!!

I reckon Spurs will batter us tomorrow, just a feeling I've got that they are gonna race out the traps.

Still... 6-1!! Lmaooo!!

Everyone was awful today, Fellaini tho? What is it!!

Arsenal took advantage of our torture pre-season, Lescott didn't seem to be bothered, he should be gone come the end of the week! Shut it Mike... We've been through a tough time the last couple of weeks... no signings, Man City playing with Lescotts head, it's obvious it's effected the lads. But thats not an excuse with that squad we have (without our injured players) we will struggle!

Well played Arsenal - Class!

Really wanna laugh at Everton but am a Celtic fan and we've got Arsenal tuesday.

Moyes said himself he got his tactics wrong.

Like he will in Europe.