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03:36 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
I was lost ages ago, where is the salad bar?

Who's footprints are these?
WHAT TIME IS FOREVR?
dgeneratio
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03:37 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
peg you need the marauders map
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hahah!!

I need a cardboard box?? BOX C??

ANyone?
adam_147
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03:37 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
This statement is a lie.

^^^ Truth or a lie?
whocares8x8
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03:38 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
A clan ends when it is "officially" folded by its creator/captain. When a clan just changes its name, it's still the same clan. For example, before the season, Funky Warriors renamed themselves into what is now Black Ballers- same clan.
Hustlers folded- they cease to be a clan.

If a clan drops 8 players and adds 8 new ones, it's still the same clan- that is very rare. I'm guessing the theoretical example you're trying to reach is when every single player of a clan leaves and is replaced by another- an interesting theoretical case, but would never happen in reality. Also, what has it got to do with D&C?
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03:40 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
adam_147 said:
This statement is a lie.

^^^ Truth or a lie?


"You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to.... The Outer Limits. "
whocares8x8
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03:43 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Does a team of all teams contain itself?
adam_147
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03:44 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
It's never had anything to do with D&C lol. All I was trying to establish really was whether it was fair to credit 4 league victories to D&C when the team now is hugely different, or whether the success of FSE the last time it was here should cause people to say FSE are the best clan ever as some do. In both cases I would argue no.

You are quite right as to where I was trying to reach theoretically. Here's one for you to consider then:

Clan A is formed by captain X and has 10 players. After winning the league, the 9 non-captain players leave and join up with new captain player Y. Captain X recruits 9 new players. Which of these 2 clans is Clan A? Or are neither?
adam_147
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03:47 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
Does a team of all teams contain itself?

Yes as by definition it is a team, so has to be a member of the team of all teams.
whocares8x8
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03:49 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yeah, but then the team of all teams is INSIDE the team of all teams- I guess it's not necessarily a paradox, just an endless loop. Enough to defeat a machine anyway.
adam_147
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03:54 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hmm from a set theoretic point of view it's a very simple answer as the union of any set with a member of the set is simply the same set.

Also the logic that 3 is less than or equal to 3 applies, similarly any set is an improper subset of itself. so the team of all teams can be contained in the team of all teams and yet still be the same thing.
whocares8x8
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03:54 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
adam_147 said:
Clan A is formed by captain X and has 10 players. After winning the league, the 9 non-captain players leave and join up with new captain player Y. Captain X recruits 9 new players. Which of these 2 clans is Clan A? Or are neither?
Clan A (the one where the captain remains) is the clan, since it's structure as an "institution" (a big name for a clan lol) remains. Again, if this were to actually happens, the clan would fold lol.

I think it's comparable to some club that goes bankrupt and leaves the premier league for 10 seasons, then finally makes it back.
The team may bear no resemblance to its previous version. They might have even moved stadium (see Arsenal). They'll have new ownership, new players, a new manager, new everything. But the identity still remains.

Great speech.
whocares8x8
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03:56 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
Yeah, but then the team of all teams is INSIDE the team of all teams- I guess it's not necessarily a paradox, just an endless loop. Enough to defeat a machine anyway.
What i meant was-
the team of teams is INSIDE the team of teams. But, being the team of times, it AGAIN contains a team of teams, which AGAIN contains a team of teams, etc...
Mirrors facing each other.
adam_147
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03:57 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Pretty sure before you said that if 8 players left and 8 new ones joined then it is still the same clan... so from the point of view of the 9, one player has left and one has joined and as 1 is less than 8, it is therefore still the same clan . Unless the clan name is the intellectual property of the captain...
adam_147
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04:04 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
whocares8x8 said:
Yeah, but then the team of all teams is INSIDE the team of all teams- I guess it's not necessarily a paradox, just an endless loop. Enough to defeat a machine anyway.
What i meant was-
the team of teams is INSIDE the team of teams. But, being the team of times, it AGAIN contains a team of teams, which AGAIN contains a team of teams, etc...
Mirrors facing each other.

The solution very much depends on the following:
team A = a1, a2, a3, ....
team B = b1, b2, b3, ....

Now the team made up of team A and B must be in the team of all teams... so...
team A' = a1, b1, a2, b2, a3, b3, ....

However the team made up of team A and team A' must be in the team of all teams so:

team A'' = a1, a1 ,b1, a2, a2, b2, a3, a3, b3, ....

However it doesn't make sense for a team to have the same player in twice, therefore:

team A'' = a1, b1, a2, b2, a3, b3, .... = team A'

Therefore no new teams are made by combining the team of all teams with any existing team. So the problem doesn't get any larger.

Trust me, I have to rattle these proofs off in exams all the time haha.
whocares8x8
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04:04 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
adam_147 said:
so from the point of view of the 9, one player has left and one has joined and as 1 is less than 8, it is therefore still the same clan .
Well no, because they've moved away from let's say FSE.
If Liverpool sign 15 Man Utd players, Liverpool don't become Man Utd. Because the identity of the clan remains where it was before.
In snooker terms, the players will be using a different thread and a different name. They are no longer part of clan A as soon as they transfer.
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04:05 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
hahahahaha good grief guys
whocares8x8
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04:05 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
adam_147 said:
However it doesn't make sense for a team to have the same player in twice,
It's theoretical, it doesn't have to make practical sense.
whocares8x8
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04:06 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
einit said:
hahahahaha good grief guys
All dgen wanted to say in the beginning was that D&C are the best lol.
adam_147
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04:07 Tue 7 Feb 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
adam_147 said:
However it doesn't make sense for a team to have the same player in twice,
It's theoretical, it doesn't have to make practical sense.

OK, theoretically it doesnt make sense for a set to have repeated elements. Better now .
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