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fragmented
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12:42 Sun 4 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Just out of interest are we talking about this happening across all the game types or is it more relevant to one in particular.
dgeneratio
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12:54 Sun 4 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
its mostly arcade im guessing as that type is the most popular, i must admit i rarely get people putting me off, sure i get the odd "gg" early but i either stick them on ignore or say it back to them i play mostly Original though.

they can't put you off now anyway as pms are open minimised which means you have to click the pm to open it.

for naming ive always wanted to name for clan league purposes (warnings, bans etc) but fact is funky rules is clear we can't name no matter who it is and what they have done.
scotty2hotti
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23:21 Mon 19 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
naming and shaming in my opinion should be allowed , because there are quite a few idiots on here that try and spoil it for the rest of us.

Snooker has always been a gentlemans game , and should be treated as such whether "real" or "funkysnooker"

In general it is a good site with a lot of friends on here
Lets not let the minority of idiots rule the roost , and get away with their childish behaviour
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23:24 Mon 19 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
naming and shaming in my opinion should be allowed , because there are quite a few idiots on here that try and spoil it for the rest of us.

Snooker has always been a gentlemans game , and should be treated as such whether "real" or "funkysnooker"

In general it is a good site with a lot of friends on here
Lets not let the minority of idiots rule the roost , and get away with their childish behaviour


:O
scotty2hotti
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23:31 Mon 19 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ang , that is not meant in a chauvinistic way at all

i mean the art of "gentlemanly behaviour"

please dont take that wrong way

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23:35 Mon 19 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
blancmange
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01:43 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hear, hear!
adam_147
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02:56 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
If naming and shaming were to be allowed, then it would only be allowed when someone had broken a rule otherwise it is just defamation. Therefore, naming and shaming would have boundaries that would have to be enforced by site Admin and Moderators. In order for staff to know that the naming and shaming was valid, evidence would have to be submitted demonstrating the guilt of the player who you wish to name and shame, as the standard legal ruling of "innocent until proven guilty" applies. The only way that evidence of rule breaking can be shown is via "send complaint" for typed offences or by bringing a matter to the attention of Admin via "contact us" or by alerting a moderator in game. Admin would then have to consider the matter, decide if the player was guilty and then inform others that their complaint was correct and the player was indeed guilty before naming and shaming would be allowed. This, however, goes against the rules about privacy already in place on the game which ensure that staff cannot discuss details about one player with another, and so allowing naming and shaming is impossible on the site.

Bear in mind that people who break the rules don't get away with it, they may receive an official warning from Admin or for more severe/repeat offences may be banned. I think personally that having "banned user" under your username is a much more effective deterent than having people rant about you on a forum. Consider also that seeing loads of people having a go at you, saying offensive things about you etc on the forum can be very hurtful, and regardless of whether someone has broken a rule, every player is entitled to protection from this, which in my book would constitute bullying. I need hardly point out the old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

It may be worth pointing out here that naming and shaming implies by its nature that the person named and shamed has done something wrong. In a given domain, this site for example, what is wrong can only be classed as anything that breaks site rules or any higher laws. Unsporting tactics, for example, aren't actually against site rules and so I would argue that stating that your opponent left the game before the end/pushed out of a snooker/deliberate fouled is not naming and shaming. It breaks funky rules however once it turns into an insult war about that player.
i_am_beast
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04:37 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Ladies and gentleman bow down to the arrival of adam on his high horse ...

Such a party pooper adam

Only joking
fragmented
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09:37 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
having "banned user" under your username is a much more effective deterent than having people rant about you on a forum.

Am I missing something.

If you're a banned user would you be on the site anyway?
adam_147
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10:52 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
having "banned user" under your username is a much more effective deterent than having people rant about you on a forum.

Am I missing something.

If you're a banned user would you be on the site anyway?

Why does the user need to be on the site? It's about making other people see that someone is trouble, I'm pretty sure the member themself is more than aware of that! And to that end, banned user looks q lot worse than a bunch of people mouthing off a forum!
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14:27 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
having "banned user" under your username is a much more effective deterent than having people rant about you on a forum.

Am I missing something.

If you're a banned user would you be on the site anyway?

Why does the user need to be on the site? It's about making other people see that someone is trouble, I'm pretty sure the member themself is more than aware of that! And to that end, banned user looks q lot worse than a bunch of people mouthing off a forum!
I don't know what your going on about adam, you speak complete rubbish, If naming and shaming is not allowed why name and shame me and say i can't write, That's offensive you should be banned
adam_147
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14:44 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
That isn't naming and shaming in much the same way as "you're terrible at arcade" isn't. Many people have pointed out to ne how bad I am at arcade but it isn't offensive! It is simply their opinion on how good someone is at something. As I said above, for naming and shaming to apply then a rule has to be broken.
dgeneratio
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15:12 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
having "banned user" under your username is a much more effective deterent than having people rant about you on a forum.

Am I missing something.

If you're a banned user would you be on the site anyway?

only banned for limited amount of time but your scarred for life
subway1203
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15:27 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm absolutely sick of players saying, 'wp, gg' when they clearly are not ready for conceding the frame.

Just played a wee rat bag there that done me with it.

These folk are cheats and should be named and shamed so that the decent people can look out for them.

The pro foul is frustrating but difficult at times to identify if these shots are deliberate.
damee
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15:39 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm absolutely sick of players saying, 'wp, gg' when they clearly are not ready for conceding the frame.

Just played a wee rat bag there that done me with it.

These folk are cheats and should be named and shamed so that the decent people can look out for them.

The pro foul is frustrating but difficult at times to identify if these shots are deliberate.


I'm sick of hearing this. "gg" means "good game". It doesn't signify the end of a frame, what's to say that half way through it actually has been a good game?

Also if you're put off by 2 letters then you seriously need to look at yourself and wonder why it's putting you off instead of finding an excuse.

Anyway, naming and shaming will just cause more issues than it will solve. As Adam has already said, an actual rule must have been broken in order for this to happen, but as it already gets dealt with behind the scenes, I don't see a need for it.
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15:43 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
doesn't matter what people say in game chat - its not cheating - is it trying to put your opponent off - yes - but if that puts you off - sry - dont look at it or just concentrate harder

it used to annoy me people saying wp gg - i just say it back and carry on with the game

naming and shaming people - is abuse - i dont care what people say - and with people being able to deactivate and open new accounts - to me - its pointless also
subway1203
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15:44 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm absolutely sick of players saying, 'wp, gg' when they clearly are not ready for conceding the frame.

Just played a wee rat bag there that done me with it.

These folk are cheats and should be named and shamed so that the decent people can look out for them.

The pro foul is frustrating but difficult at times to identify if these shots are deliberate.


I'm sick of hearing this. "gg" means "good game". It doesn't signify the end of a frame, what's to say that half way through it actually has been a good game?

Also if you're put off by 2 letters then you seriously need to look at yourself and wonder why it's putting you off instead of finding an excuse.

Anyway, naming and shaming will just cause more issues than it will solve. As Adam has already said, an actual rule must have been broken in order for this to happen, but as it already gets dealt with behind the scenes, I don't see a need for it.


You're in a round about way encouraging this tactic mate.

Of course you're put off. There are some right good people out there playing this game and it's nice to say nice shot or whatever. Never in my life has anyone said to me, 'good game this' lol. You know how it works.

All I can do is ignore the players who do it by somehow taking note of them.
damee
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16:01 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Of course you're put off? That is just daft. Majority of people don't get put off at all by it. It's just 2 letters. If I put "ns" that wouldn't put you off then? Then clearly you're getting put under pressure because of 2 specific letters. Seriously you need to look at your own game and sort that out.

And calling it cheating is way out of order when it's not cheating at all.

If it bothers you that much, stick them on ignore.
damee
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16:02 Tue 20 Mar 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
with people being able to deactivate and open new accounts - to me - its pointless also


Not really. Some people try to leave the site then decide to come back a couple of week later. Pointless? No.

Some people get a lot of stick off an account and want to start afresh. Pointless? No.

You can never stop people doing this.
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