Yeah the preseason friendlies aren't drawn randomly. I paired the 4 teams that I thought would be fairly reliable with the other 4. Then I had the two sets of teams play against each other.

Everyone gets 1 game against a "reliable" clan and 1 game against a "shaky" team. That way we can best tell who is at fault for what and who is having problems. If a team has to play two new/shaky teams, we can't really tell who is at fault.

We have 2 good test's, so thank you!

So is clan killer 100 percent this season, i feel it will be the only reason we dont make the league, as we could have games done today or 2mrw, if predators make subs..mark aint going to b onnext few nights he said, so :/ ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yeah if its not played by Sunday then it will be played at 9 pm (UK Time) on deadline day

what bout 9 pm uk time tonight lol

I would think now would b good time..

if i can get 2 on, atm its just me.

Black Ops have dropped out of the league sadly, I assume it's too late to give us another clan to play? Barring killer we have completed the Allstarz fixture so hopefully that is enough to go off.

no we havnt dropped out at all

we just have a new thread

Sorry, assumed from your post of the team as you and James that you had started a new clan. My bad. It did look like you only had 2 players.

everything is fine.

Ok captains, need your opinions on something. Basically I've written a program to do a clan ranking system based on the player ranking system already used and using the frames won. could be done on a calculator, but this will be a lot faster in the long run! 4 Questions:

1) How should we rank new clans entering the league?

A) start at 750 (average score) and normal rankings then.
B) start at 750 and there is a newbie modification for their first season for the scores for the opponents.
C) Default team decide what they consider the correct ranking to be based on players.
D) Average is taken of the overall rankings of all the members and this is used.

2) What bonus should be awarded for winning the league/cup/plate/bonus league?

My initial thoughts are 60/50/25/15.

3) If a bonus is awarded, it is removed after the next season and given to the new winner. If a clan defends a competition, should they be given say 10 bonus points for defending that aren't removed?

yes/no

4) What should we do for the first season?

A) start every clan at 750 and let it work itself out.
B) use previous season's results for existing clans, estimate a ranking for them, add bonuses and then do new clans by question 1 above.

Any input would be very valuable, if no-one replies I will make it up

Edited at 23:35 Sun 28/10/12 (GMT)

Oh, if captains dont reply, then other people just have a shout and I will see what people think .

I usually hate your ideas Adam but i actually like the sound of that

I agree, will post later, with the agree's and the yes/no's n such But looks good.

Right, dgen has been after this idea for a couple of seasons now, so thanks for getting it written!

At first glance (and we've talked about this before):

1) Definitely not C or D, and probably not A.
My suggestion is for a clan's first season, keep them off the table and run the calculations on the side. When the season is over (or once they've played all teams once) see what the ranking would be based on those games. Then take that as the starting rank and run it from the beginning. If that makes sense.

2) Bonus depends on how much a normal fixture is worth. But the weighting seems about right, maybe with slightly different weightings- 65, 45, 25, 10

3) yes

4) We have data for the last 4 or 5 seasons I think, so you can use that if it's not too much work.

@Seb

1) makes sense. I can do that easy enough. What happens to opponents rank when they play them though? Just ignored?

4) running data on all that would take weeks. can use those results to estimate a ranking for them though and include that in option B)?

cheers adam for writing this, if you can get an HTML link to me i can do a rankings page on the website

and yeah been after something like this for a few seasons now

It writes to a csv file, if you have dropbox or something I can just upload the Excel file when I'm done and you can do what you like with it.

Yes, it gets ignored at first and at the end of the season (or the first go-around), the games get included with the newly acquired rank for the new clan, that you've just learned from those first games. So a "ghost run" to get a ranking. Then use that ranking and run the games for real.

That works too. Whatever is doable.