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21:39 Wed 3 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
i dont agree with not having a "only regular" game.
not to mention my opinion about killer again
The league format idea I originally proposed to a bunch of people by message looks like this (I've since added 1 more fixture, since clans are 12, not 10 players):
-1 player plays 6 frames of arc
-1 player plays 3 frames of arc and 3 frames of reg
-1 player plays 3 frames of reg and 3 frames of orig
-1 player plays 6 frames of orig
-1 player plays 6 frames of carom
-1 player plays 3 frames of carom and 3 frames of reg
-1 player plays 3 frames of power
That would mean a point total of
9 arc
9 reg
9 orig
9 carom
6 power
Killer:
3 games of 2 vs 2 killer should be played in each fixture. The winner of each game gets 2 points (so 6 points total). The same players can play in every killer game (so that the 3 games could be played right after each other if teams choose to do so).
Cup: I liked the group format of this season, which can be expanded depending on how many teams join. We could play 6 vs 6 players (ties don't matter in the group stages; we would figure out a tiebreak format in knockouts stages).
-1 player plays 6 frames of arc
-1 player plays 3 frames of arc and 3 frames of reg
-1 player plays 3 frames of reg and 3 frames of orig
-1 player plays 6 frames of orig
-1 player plays 6 frames of carom
-1 player plays 3 frames of carom and 3 frames of reg
-1 player plays 3 frames of power
That would mean a point total of
9 arc
9 reg
9 orig
9 carom
6 power
Killer:
3 games of 2 vs 2 killer should be played in each fixture. The winner of each game gets 2 points (so 6 points total). The same players can play in every killer game (so that the 3 games could be played right after each other if teams choose to do so).
Cup: I liked the group format of this season, which can be expanded depending on how many teams join. We could play 6 vs 6 players (ties don't matter in the group stages; we would figure out a tiebreak format in knockouts stages).
i dont agree with not having a "only regular" game.
not to mention my opinion about killer again
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22:44 Wed 3 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
Seb im not going to lie i would love to have 3 games of 2 v 2 killer.
Also agree that not having a regular game is a bit of a bummer tbh.
Also agree that not having a regular game is a bit of a bummer tbh.
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00:29 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
I think that format is too complicated and alienating, just stick to games purely being one type
I do like the killer, but I'd say keep them separate from the main fixtures in the sense that they still count point wise, but don't have the same deadline and can be played anytime (or in their own longer time limits)
I do like the killer, but I'd say keep them separate from the main fixtures in the sense that they still count point wise, but don't have the same deadline and can be played anytime (or in their own longer time limits)
01:43 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link] alienating is one thing, but what part of it is complicated?? It's just 3 and 3 frames lol. On the other hand, home/away with captains viewing lists, double points for the star player etc is complicated!
One other advantage of mixed formats is what people were complaining about on the previous page- the odds of playing the same opponent over and over becomes slightly lower I think. An orig player could play orig only or orig/reg. A reg player could play reg/arc, reg/orig, or reg/carom. More chance of variation in the lineups.
The reason I didn't want to cut carom in half is because many carom specialists would be dropping out of the league. This way, they would still get 1 full carom game as well as one mixed carom game.
I think that format is too complicated and alienating, just stick to games purely being one type
One other advantage of mixed formats is what people were complaining about on the previous page- the odds of playing the same opponent over and over becomes slightly lower I think. An orig player could play orig only or orig/reg. A reg player could play reg/arc, reg/orig, or reg/carom. More chance of variation in the lineups.
The reason I didn't want to cut carom in half is because many carom specialists would be dropping out of the league. This way, they would still get 1 full carom game as well as one mixed carom game.
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02:21 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
Well not complicated, but you guys were saying you'd rather a simple format...
02:35 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
I want to avoid having a system where only the captains on those active on this thread know what's going on. Play two different game types is manageable, considering people have to play 5 different game types in the cup.
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02:41 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
Playing two types is manageable, but I think it would be very hard to put two types together without alienating players
Say you suggested regular and carom, only one person on my team would want to play in that fixture - Most people don't particularly like playing certain game modes
Say you suggested regular and carom, only one person on my team would want to play in that fixture - Most people don't particularly like playing certain game modes
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02:42 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
And yeah, any new format has to be generally liked by everybody
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02:44 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
One other advantage of mixed formats is what people were complaining about on the previous page- the odds of playing the same opponent over and over becomes slightly lower I think. An orig player could play orig only or orig/reg. A reg player could play reg/arc, reg/orig, or reg/carom. More chance of variation in the lineups.
In my opinion the odds of playing the same players increase as there are far less players that are good at carom and reg than just reg. Therefore, I would continue to play the same player in this game as they are the only one that can do well in it.
One other advantage of mixed formats is what people were complaining about on the previous page- the odds of playing the same opponent over and over becomes slightly lower I think. An orig player could play orig only or orig/reg. A reg player could play reg/arc, reg/orig, or reg/carom. More chance of variation in the lineups.
In my opinion the odds of playing the same players increase as there are far less players that are good at carom and reg than just reg. Therefore, I would continue to play the same player in this game as they are the only one that can do well in it.
02:44 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
^ Prefer Orig and Carom shame thats not in there
not complaining about no single reg though
not complaining about no single reg though
02:44 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
Yes, that's the one that I added afterwards and the one that I like the least.
Many carom players can play other game types though! It could stop teams with multiple carom specialists (aka TD ) from dominating a specific game type.
Many carom players can play other game types though! It could stop teams with multiple carom specialists (aka TD ) from dominating a specific game type.
02:48 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
The problem is that one game type has to fall short.
If you include a fixture of each game type that's not mixed, then mixing the last two (7 games total) becomes difficult.
6 arc
6 reg
6 orig
6 carom
6 power
arc/reg and reg/orig would give reg too many frames.
arc/orig and reg/orig would give orig too many frames.
See where the problem is? One game type can't have an unmixed fixture. I thought reg would be best because most people that can play reg also play other game types- less than with arc and orig.
So reg would still get 9 frames, just always mixed with other game types.
How about reg/orig and arc/carom along with the 5 normal games?
If you include a fixture of each game type that's not mixed, then mixing the last two (7 games total) becomes difficult.
6 arc
6 reg
6 orig
6 carom
6 power
arc/reg and reg/orig would give reg too many frames.
arc/orig and reg/orig would give orig too many frames.
See where the problem is? One game type can't have an unmixed fixture. I thought reg would be best because most people that can play reg also play other game types- less than with arc and orig.
So reg would still get 9 frames, just always mixed with other game types.
How about reg/orig and arc/carom along with the 5 normal games?
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07:00 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link] Yeah, I honestly don't mind either! lol..we will just take votes I guess when time comes.. see what u like vote for it.. should only be 2-3 ideas tho, so it doesn't even out on the voting
Oh yer you mailed me this..haha
i didnt reply i forgot. but im really not fussed what format it is..lol
i didnt reply i forgot. but im really not fussed what format it is..lol
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07:03 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link] Now that I wouldn't mind..that sounds pretty even, pretty spread out
The problem is that one game type has to fall short.
If you include a fixture of each game type that's not mixed, then mixing the last two (7 games total) becomes difficult.
6 arc
6 reg
6 orig
6 carom
6 power
arc/reg and reg/orig would give reg too many frames.
arc/orig and reg/orig would give orig too many frames.
See where the problem is? One game type can't have an unmixed fixture. I thought reg would be best because most people that can play reg also play other game types- less than with arc and orig.
So reg would still get 9 frames, just always mixed with other game types.
How about reg/orig and arc/carom along with the 5 normal games?
If you include a fixture of each game type that's not mixed, then mixing the last two (7 games total) becomes difficult.
6 arc
6 reg
6 orig
6 carom
6 power
arc/reg and reg/orig would give reg too many frames.
arc/orig and reg/orig would give orig too many frames.
See where the problem is? One game type can't have an unmixed fixture. I thought reg would be best because most people that can play reg also play other game types- less than with arc and orig.
So reg would still get 9 frames, just always mixed with other game types.
How about reg/orig and arc/carom along with the 5 normal games?
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14:21 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
If we are voting, my vote would be for something along these lines - Even if we don't do the home/away team sheet idea, Matt's idea seems like a simple solution to cutting down on a game mode
My favour is to see these two ideas combined:
These minor changes would be enough in my opinion. Which does not mean major changes would be out of discussion for me but gives some more time to think about.
I like Matt's idea too, although I don't like the idea of losing the second carom game - maybe keep the format the same but lose the killer?
Not in favour of you're idea dgen, but I am in favour of the idea I raised a few weeks ago to do with home and away (although it was Adam's first ) http://www.funkysnooker.com/thread/9111/league-discussion-thread-ii/32#741875
Where the home team captain gets to choose what players play who
Not in favour of you're idea dgen, but I am in favour of the idea I raised a few weeks ago to do with home and away (although it was Adam's first ) http://www.funkysnooker.com/thread/9111/league-discussion-thread-ii/32#741875
Where the home team captain gets to choose what players play who
Just an idea... What if the home team also chose which two game types only had the 1 fixture. So for example they could choose to have:
2arc, 2reg, 1orig, 2carom, 1power
Just gives the home team a greater advantage as they can play to there strengths
2arc, 2reg, 1orig, 2carom, 1power
Just gives the home team a greater advantage as they can play to there strengths
These minor changes would be enough in my opinion. Which does not mean major changes would be out of discussion for me but gives some more time to think about.
If we are voting, my vote would be for something along these lines - Even if we don't do the home/away team sheet idea, Matt's idea seems like a simple solution to cutting down on a game mode
14:55 Thu 4 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
One fixture of 6 frames for each game type (3 for power counting double as now), plus two fixtures in Players Championship format. That weights it to the proper snooker games with the less popular games (carom/power) remaining unmixed. You would have:
10 arc
10 reg
10 orig
6 carom
6 power
10 arc
10 reg
10 orig
6 carom
6 power
02:15 Fri 5 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
Whos going to make the final decision then? Or will we vote?
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15:42 Mon 8 Jul 13 (BST) [Link]
I think it should be put to a vote .. and not just to captains ... it should be sent to every player that is in the clan league ......
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