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msl
msl
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22:53 Wed 1 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Dont fix something that ain't broken , just leave as it is


I agree, don't think there are any problems with the current scoring system
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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23:23 Wed 1 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I mentioned that in private message and it got laughed off so good luck with that proposal
Im happy to arrange the fixtures so nobody has 3 games. On the other hand, I would rather my clan have 3 games in one fixture than 1 game. With one game, it means that not all of our players get a game and have to sit out.
I don't see the disadvantage of having 3 games. It's not like anyone gets exhausted like in football......
m_wood
m_wood
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18:04 Thu 2 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Just had this random thought

There are 12 League Games a Season.

POWER PLAY
Each Captain has 3 Power Plays.
This means... they can use a PowerPlay on one of their players, where whatever that score is, its double points

for example

The Lord puts the PowerPlay oN W_Woolhan vs Gerard024... if Hoolahan wins 6-0.. it becomes 12-0

You cannot Powerplay the same player again!

Or to prevent teams using their top 3 players giving them extra advantage.. maybe at the start of the season, the Power Players from each team are randomly selected
msl
msl
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18:18 Thu 2 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Like the sound of that m_wood

Not sure about the random selection part though.. maybe the captain can select the player when submitting the team list, that way they wont know for sure who the opponent will be?
m_wood
m_wood
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18:21 Thu 2 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Like the sound of that m_wood

Not sure about the random selection part though.. maybe the captain can select the player when submitting the team list, that way they wont know for sure who the opponent will be?


The thing that made me think of the random thing was... if I was Captain of D&C... id pick whocares, Kilimanjaro & Lethal Lure.... and you could argue that this would give them extra EXTRA help. Be fairer if you like if it was say kilimanjaro, obieeee and scott7a... more balance.
msl
msl
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18:40 Thu 2 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
The thing that made me think of the random thing was... if I was Captain of D&C... id pick whocares, Kilimanjaro & Lethal Lure.... and you could argue that this would give them extra EXTRA help. Be fairer if you like if it was say kilimanjaro, obieeee and scott7a... more balance.


Yeah that would make it fairer, but why should it be fair and even? Clans are competing at the end of the day
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19:07 Thu 2 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Sounds a bit gimmicky...but if you do it it can't be random otherwise it's not fair.

At the end of the day you are basically giving Allstarz an extra 18 points, so go for it if you want!
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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21:56 Thu 2 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Something like that was suggested a few seasons ago, but I don't really see it as a viable option here. It sounds more like something might do well in the events forum.

If there's not much more discussion I will probably ask for a captains/vices vote on league scoring format soon...
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21:10 Mon 6 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
i got an idea aswell

to know who is the best player of the season i thought lets make a champions league..

the 16 best players of last season plays in 4 groups of 4, the 2 best players of each group goes to quarter finals etc..

the format is same as individuals
m_wood
m_wood
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17:51 Tue 14 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Free agents

If, I, Captain of the Snooker Legends, have a squad of 12.... and then "JIMBOB", whom is a free agent, agrees to join my team, I then have to release one of my squad of 12... lets say "Frank"

Frank is released... but is then bound by the current rules to be unable to join another team.

This seems unfair on Frank. He is unable to join a clan until the New Season, so it seems like he is getting punished for being released.

The current rule is in place to stop Legends releasing Frank and Allstarz releasing Sam, and then switching teams. But that would be pretty obvious

So think something needs to be done with Frank, where, if he is released, then he is allowed to play for another team.

Maybe on the PLAYERS OUT thread.. if I release Frank then i also have to give a reason eg

Frank Out - Bringing in free agent Jimbob
Frank Out - Franks request
Frank Out - Inactive 3 weeks

ETC

Regarding Cup Final Teams, if not going with the 'must of competed in 2 cup games previously' scenario... then maybe the 50% of Games for the season to be eligible to play in a Final.
adam_147
adam_147
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19:30 Tue 14 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
50% would be far too high. It's just encouraging captains to put their best players out every match so they are eligible for finals. Part of the league is every player playing games regularly and I think this would discourage that.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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19:48 Tue 14 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Did you guys agree with the "must be signed two sets prior to the final" idea?

I'll talk about the released players after.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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01:15 Wed 15 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Free agents
Frank is released... but is then bound by the current rules to be unable to join another team.
This seems unfair on Frank. He is unable to join a clan until the New Season, so it seems like he is getting punished for being released.
Currently, player can still change teams until the first league set is released. At that point, no further transfers are allowed until the mid-season transfer window. Anyone released after the transfer window can not join another team for the remainder of the season.

This means that in an absolute worst-case scenario, a player would have to wait 3 fixture sets (from Fixture 1 to the transfer window or from the fixture after the window until the end). Most of the time, the wait is 2 fixtures or less.
Although that could annoying for the player, I think it's a reasonable balance between wanting to avoid players forcing a transfer by refusing to play and having to wait too long.
m_wood
m_wood
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01:45 Wed 15 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
The problem being with that is... for instance last season there were 4 sets after the Transfer window... which is 8 weeks.. thats a 2 month Clan Embargo which is extreme for a player whom may be released for reasons out of their control.... seems somewhat unfair to the player

Eg. IF Anger released Davey due to Inactive 3 weeks.. and they sign FREE AGENT Buzby.... Davey returns, he is now unable to play for the other 4 clans whom all have space.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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15:17 Wed 15 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Any ideas in how to write that into the rules without pretty much allowing transfers for anyone?

8 weeks would be the absolute worst case scenario for a player.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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01:49 Fri 17 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
VOTE

A fundamental change to the way the league is scored was proposed and discussed on pages 51/52 of the discussion thread. There will be a vote to decide which system to adopt for the upcoming season.

There are two viable options:

A:
The current system remains as it is. Every frame won by all players counts as 1 point towards the team score. A bonus of 7 points is awarded for completing all frames in a fixture. The league table is decided by total points collected over the season.

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B:
A new system is implemented. Teams score points based on the number of frames they win in each fixture, according to the following table:
Fixture won with more than 40 frames: 6-0
Fixture won with more than 32 frames: 5-1
Fixture won with more than 24 frames: 4-2
Drawn fixture: 3-3
Completion bonus: 2

The league table is decided by total points. In case of a tie, the number of frames won is decisive ("goal difference").


Only captains and vices are eligible to vote. In order to not influence other voters, I would prefer that votes be sent to me by message, but you may also post them on the discussion thread.
The following players are asked to vote:
Allstarz: pirate_steve, roxbury_100
Anger: thegame26, r1p0m4n_v2
D&C: whocares8x8, dgeneratio
FSD: thegreatone7, eraser147
Assassins: msl, alex_lewis
Patriots: chezz021, quickpot_147
Legends: m_wood, w_hoolahan

Deadline: Jan. 26th
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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00:07 Tue 21 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Just an update- I'm still missing a few votes with 6 days to go. Decision will be announced once all votes are in or the deadline is gone.

I will also include the rule that says players must be signed two fixtures before the end in order to be eligible for the cup/plate final.
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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00:08 Tue 21 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Was everyone happy with the new cup format we implemented last season (group stage before the semis, rather than the direct knockout)?

Any changes needed there?
(I'll adjust the schedule to even out the games as wood said)
m_wood
m_wood
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01:49 Wed 22 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Format was fine i think for the cup

Heres an issue..that did pop up more than a few times last season

Player Times Difference
Example

Team Food vs Team Drink

Burger Vs Coke

Burger plays 9am-5pm.
Coke plays 6pm-3am

This game will not be played because of the times both players play, neither players fault.. What to do

Team Food doesnt want to sub out their player, Team Drink doesnt want to sub out their player.

What do you do.

Personally, I think both players should be subbed out if neither team can agree. But this would involve changing 3 games.

Thoughts?
whocares8x8
whocares8x8
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01:53 Wed 22 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Up to the teams really- I'm not sure it's something the rules can fix. Most of the time, some sort of a swap is done.
Although to be honest, over a 14-day period, one of the players should be able to come online slightly sooner or later to get it done if really needed. Just because players have preferred times, doesn't mean the can't get slightly out of their comfort zone.
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