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m_wood
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18:59 Wed 23 Oct 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant see Fixtures 5 & 6 on the site?
whocares8x8
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01:35 Thu 24 Oct 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant see Fixtures 5 & 6 on the site?
If you go to the "all fixtures" page, you will the league table. At the bottom, you'll find clickable tabs for all of the fixtures.

http://funkysnookerclanleague.weebly.com/all-fixtures.html
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00:02 Tue 5 Nov 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
"Once the season has started, free agents are only eligible to play for a clan when their account is at least 31 days old."

Can a player be included in the team if they have not reached this age by the start of the fixture but will reach this age during the set. According to this I would think yes but not sure
whocares8x8
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01:40 Tue 5 Nov 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
"Once the season has started, free agents are only eligible to play for a clan when their account is at least 31 days old."

Can a player be included in the team if they have not reached this age by the start of the fixture but will reach this age during the set. According to this I would think yes but not sure
Yes. They must be added before the fixture starts and then become eligible once their account is old enough.
whocares8x8
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01:30 Thu 19 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
Suggestions for improvement, new formats, rules, killer, Individuals, Player's Championship, Cup- anything at all that you want to see changed, please post here so it can be discussed.
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15:51 Sun 22 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
Propose a change to the league scoring format...

Instead of a point a frame, 2 points for winning the game and 1 point for drawing. Use frame difference from matches to split equal ranking teams, then head to head.

I think it'd be fairer for the league if every game was worth the same amount of points
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21:38 Sun 22 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
I like this ^^
adam_147
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21:40 Sun 22 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
As well as the Players Champs, a clan league Carom Champs and a clan league Power Champs could be run alongside. I would be happy to help organise them if needed. I would propose something like each clan enters 2 carom players for the carom champs and 2 power players for the power champs. Or 3 or 4 depending on popularity. Then just do a knockout like the players champs. Unseeded and random draw for the first one, then can use the same seeding as Players Champs if it catches on. There are some top players in these types in the clans that aren't challenging for the title so it would be a good chance to win some trophies for their clan.

As I said, if you want to trial it then I'll help run it.
whocares8x8
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22:04 Sun 22 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
^I don't know about this- what has happened with Individuals on pool seems to show that multiple individual tourneys running side by side dont work. They've never ended well over there.

These would also be fairly small. You'd get maybe 10-20 carom players and a few more power players. Is that worth it? Event inflation may not be ideal.
whocares8x8
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22:06 Sun 22 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
Propose a change to the league scoring format...

Instead of a point a frame, 2 points for winning the game and 1 point for drawing. Use frame difference from matches to split equal ranking teams, then head to head.

I think it'd be fairer for the league if every game was worth the same amount of points
So basically, the following fixture:
Arc 4-2
Reg 4-2
Orig 3-3
Carom 1-5
Power 2-4
Mixed 3-3
Mixed 3-3
Killer 3-3

would end up with the score at 8-8 for the league table, yes?

What is the benefit?
horse10000
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23:24 Sun 22 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
Propose a change to the league scoring format...

Instead of a point a frame, 2 points for winning the game and 1 point for drawing. Use frame difference from matches to split equal ranking teams, then head to head.

I think it'd be fairer for the league if every game was worth the same amount of points
So basically, the following fixture:
Arc 4-2
Reg 4-2
Orig 3-3
Carom 1-5
Power 2-4
Mixed 3-3
Mixed 3-3
Killer 3-3

would end up with the score at 8-8 for the league table, yes?

What is the benefit?


Think this is a great idea, i have requested the same in pool for ages. It means each game has equal standing where current format means having 2 or 3 excellent players who win by huge margins benefit the team far greater than the fact they have won one individual game.
whocares8x8
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00:11 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
This would be true if the point of the league was to get team wins vs the opposing team. In the current system, each single frame is important by every single player, regardless of how good they are. A few seasons ago, the league was decided by a single point- this means that every single frame counts and counts equally.
whocares8x8
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00:15 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
To be clear- I'm not saying I'm necessarily against this. All new ideas I tend to try to argue against, just to see if they are good ideas. I try to be critical to think ahead of possible consequences.
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00:20 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
Propose a change to the league scoring format...

Instead of a point a frame, 2 points for winning the game and 1 point for drawing. Use frame difference from matches to split equal ranking teams, then head to head.

I think it'd be fairer for the league if every game was worth the same amount of points
So basically, the following fixture:
Arc 4-2
Reg 4-2
Orig 3-3
Carom 1-5
Power 2-4
Mixed 3-3
Mixed 3-3
Killer 3-3

would end up with the score at 8-8 for the league table, yes?

What is the benefit?

I didn't mean it that way, I agree that the way above would be pointless.

I simply meant 2 points for a fixture win, 1 point for a fixture draw. So if Allstarz win a fixture 31 - 29, they get 2 points.

That way every fixture is worth the same amount of points, whereas currently fixtures against 'the bottom teams' (no disrespect meant) are worth much more than the fixtures against the 'top teams'.

I think it would make the league fairer by decreasing the disparity between the top and bottom clans by limiting the affect of 'superstar' players and instead judge the clan as a whole.
whocares8x8
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00:40 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
ohhh ok, I misunderstood. In that case disregard what I've said before because it makes no sense.

The main argument against your proposed system is that once a fixture is decided, the remaining games to be played become almost worthless, whereas in the current system, every frame counts.
What I could also see happening is that if there are only 2 teams competing for the top spot, the entire season comes down to a few frames that they play against each other. So a single frame in a single fixture could essentially decide the season, if a win against the other teams is almost assured (which is unfortunately what was the case frequently in the last few seasons).

Other than that, the idea of course follows the standard format of most sports leagues in the world, so it can't be bad.
Tiebreaker 1 would have to be total frame difference, then head-to-head results.
whocares8x8
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00:43 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
Once we're done discussing it here, I will certainly put it up for a captains vote though.
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01:01 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
That's a fair point - Could alter the points and then keep the completion bonus so that all frames count. I.e., 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw, 1 point completion bonus (or something similar)
adam_147
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01:11 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
On my idea, yeah I know the individuals thing on pool didn't work but that's because it always seemed to lack structure. If it was set fixtures with set deadlines then I think it could work.

On the pirate's idea, could always do something like they do in the Rugby Championship and in County Cricket in England where there are bonus points for achievements in the fixture.

I was thinking:

Fixture won with more than 40 points 6-0
Fixture won with more than 32 points 5-1
Fixture won with more than 24 points 4-2
Drawn fixture 3-3

Completion bonus 2 points

That way every frame still counts as you could still be trying for the extra point. It also means that the losing clans will be rewarded for keeping the fixture close so there is an incentive for them.
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01:24 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
You'd have to increase the points for a win etc so that the bonus points don't heavily distort standings, but it would be a good idea to make games worth playing
whocares8x8
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02:24 Mon 23 Dec 13 (GMT)  [Link]  
Although now you're back to a system where it depends on the amount you beat your opponent by (same as now). That would seem like it contradicts pirate's idea of a purely team-fixture-wins-based system.
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