Its fair that somebody who doesnt take their shot in the allocated time that then has a ball potted for them?

Its fair that somebody who doesnt take their shot in the allocated time then randomly whacks a red ball snookering the opponent?

Its fair that somebody who doesnt take their shot in the allocated time can lead by 40 points then be assisted by their own foul to win?

Right..... least we are clear on this subject.


"I have often said, there is a simple cure to this occasional complaint - remove the random shot announcement, then nobody knows, therefore nobody decides to be annoyed by it."

Surely the simple cure would be to stop the random shot to stop the complaint.

Im sure if this would be put to a vote.. the majority would be to Pass the shot over.

Edited at 17:33 Tue 22/05/12 (BST)

Woody my friend if we pass the shot over people can use it to there advantage, if you have me in a snooker with all balls open rather than me attempt to get out of it surely I sit there for 20 seconds let it be passed over to you?

But then he could keep making you retake..

I think It's fair how it is, 9 times out of 10 the opponent will be punished for it. It's happened on me a couple of times but for how much it happens why be so upset? You'll never beat spinner in a debate so you may as well just stop moaning and get on with it.

The opponent would of course get the option to pass the shot back to the original player. Like in power snooker.

I just don't see why this would be a problem. Neither option conforms with real snooker. In real snooker, the shot does not pass over to the opponent like we're suggesting.
But in real snooker, there is also no random shot. So why is it a bad suggestion to get rid of the random shot?

9 times out of 10 is not enough. Why not just 10 times out of 10 when it's possible?

Im with wood on this, I think its a bit unfair that if someone doesnt take a shot they get to continue their break via their own foul

thats the wrong mindset to be having, if every idea in our heads we said "may as well not post this because spinner will disagree". the correct mindset is to post and see what kind of feedback you get even if spinner disagrees you tried.

i don't mind if random shot penalty stays or goes but i think the pass shot is fairer with a foul as it gives you 100% initiative and if you mess it up or fail to spot something then no one to blame but yourself.

but say was 58 ahead and 59 remaining and they got a random but potted and they cleared then i feel thats an undeserved frame (same if it happens to me). If it was the pass shot with a foul then you would be 62 ahead with 59 remaining therefore they need a snooker.

more realistic i think as i don't see a referee in any snooker/pool game where the referee (computer in this case) smacks the ball around.

I do think we should get rid of the random but in what capacity I don't know.

Well, one suggestion has been made (same system as in power snooker). The only criticism it has received is that it doesn't conform to snooker rules. The answer to that is that the random shot (and the timer in itself) also doesn't conform to snooker rules.
Is there any other criticism for the suggestion?

then, obviously, ball in hand haha, thought you would work that one out adam, jeez

nah, if anyone remembers dom (dream_cue, dommm, mirrr) when i played him in a Carom Friendly he had 2 random shots and scored both times (he was a natural at this), i was amazed more than anything but it should pass the shot to the next player.

LMAO! That made me laugh! Well said though, I think the ball should remain where it is, and the opponent should choose to continue or to hand the shot back.

Another problem which i'll like to address is the time limit to join a game. If someone doesn't respond to the "start game" timer, the game should automatically be called off, because this has an unfair element of someone getting free rank without the other player knowing the game is even going on.

A) doesn't hurt to carry on though like i said if you stop posting because one person disagrees then no point bringing any ideas to the forum as someone will always disagree, even if spinner disagrees other admins may like some ideas.

B) answered in my previous post but thing is 1/1,000,000 isn't good enough it should be 0/1,000,000 by passing the shot, like i said you don't see any referee smack the ball around for any snooker/pool player.

agree with this and been brought up a few times before too, someone will say you can press watch which is true but it can be irritating (as bad as when guest leaves when they breakoff.

Dgen, Spinner has explained everything here why the random shot is fair, so whether people like it or not there isn't anything else to discuss on this topic, It would be more unfair if it was given as a foul because it simply isn't. It's impossible to foul unless you are in control of the shot, so a random is the fairest way.

Dre - It's been brought up many a times about the game starting automatically but it's so easy to avoid, just don't play games while you have other things to do, this only normally happens to the addicts!!

spinner has explained his view yes, but I didn't know spinner was the gospel of funky lol.

With a random shot, you're not in control either, so a foul then would also violate your principles right?

Again, both ways violate the rules of snooker. The timer in itself violates the rules of snooker. But to reward someone (even if only on a rare occasion) for not taking a shot is clearly not the way.

The inventors of power snooker thought out the best solution for games with a shot timer. Since we have a shot timer on all our snooker game types, the same procedure should be used.

what happens in power snooker then, just pass shot over??? i never seen a tie limit reached when i have watched it

In power snooker, if the timer runs out, you get a 20 point penalty and the shot passes to the opponent. The opponent has the option of playing the shot or passing it back to you.

For arc/reg/orig, the proposed penalty would be just 4 points. Everything else stays the same as in power.

ahhhhh right yeah i remember now :P the 4 points would be good for snooker

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