Well aren't you a full on wolly then! Sorry i just disagree with a passion, i want the English to be the best an currently they are and i want it to stay that way by an English team winning the cup. Theres a word for people like you, virt and Mike!

Why would I want Utd to have 4 champions leagues? Am not from London, I care very little about England. Rather see Liverpool win prem than England win world cup and am not ashamed to say it. Plus, my preference to who i support has no bearing on if am a true football fan :S What are you on about!?

Theres several words for people like yourself.

Penalty and a red card would have been preferable would it?

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Thats what football is about.

Well i clearly put "opinion" in one of my posts so I'm entitled to state whatever i like! You've just really annoyed me! You don't care about England? Then go away then :S simple!! Your not even a Liverpool fan anyways, your from warrington or somewhere and your more of a Rugby fan! Just a glory hunter like many others on this site!

You know exactly what I'm on about! I just wanted to put my point across that your a proper whopper if you want Barca to beat Man Unitedd in Rome!!!!!!

Mine was an opinion, You dont have to take it personal lol by calling me a wolly and telling me wat words describe me. Im sorry for having a passion towards my club and hating rivals which is what football is all about ;)

This is one of them posts you look back on and think "Why?"

I mean just read it...!!

Don't apologise to him lol! Hes what you call a "football fundementalist" you have to conform to his ideas of what a "real" football fan is.

That is:

1) Live exactly (10 mins away is not good enough) in your clubs city

2) Support the English team (unless of course its liverpool)

3) Go to every home and away game (despite not having a season ticket himself of course...)

it is not about:

1) Enjoying football
2) Having banter with oppo fans
3) Being depressed when your team gets knocked out on penalties.

Football fundementalists generally spend their lives theying to prove they are a "better" fan than the next man. I'll pass on that, I've said many times before, such things are childish.

All I know is this, since age 4 my mum put a Liverpool kit on me and I have never worn any other kit than that of Liverpool (except England, but their kit this year is just an embarassment, so i'll think i'll give it a miss this time!) In that time, we have won a few Fa cups, few league cups, UEFA cup, and the champions league out of the blue in 05. At 4 we were mid-table. at 10, we were still mid table.

Glory fan? Nahh don't think so. And yes I am a Warrington Wolves fan, - we aint won anything in my lifetime...

Edited at 01:12 Thu 7/05/09 (BST)

All This Talk About Man Utd v Barca Makes Me Cry And My Fist Clench

And "The_Kop" I Would Ovbiously Of Taken Red Card Cech And Penalty, We Had Carlo Cudicini On The Bench, I May I Point Out Is A Remarkable Penalty Stopper Who Actuly Has A Better Save Rate Than Reina Who Is Deemed Now As One Of The Best, Then The Whole Game Would Of Been Different...And To Join In With Your HEATED Debate, I Think It Depends On The Team In The Final, If It Was Fulham I'd Love Them To Win, And Im Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, City Every Premiership Side However, I'd Never Hear The End Of Man U And Liverpool Fans Bigging It All Up Again, So I Have Positive And Negative For Man Utd Winning.......

But If The Referee Had Any Ability To Ref, Then I Would Be Cheering On The Chelsea, And "Zero_pulse"....If Drogba Or Ballack Or Any Chelsea Player Had Headbutted The Ref, I Would Support Them 100% Bcoz When Your On The Recieving End Of Something So Blatent Like That I Wanted To Do It myself...And Wanted Them To Do It Too! Mwhahaa

At These Times I Have To Believe In Karma Lmao!

Sorry For The Essay

And for the caps on every letter ?

Ste you are the biggest footballing hypocrite on this site it's unreal, your bias unjustified views are some what ludicrous it's times like this where mike really outshines in his knowledge of football to call him anything less then a football fan is outrageous!

Edited at 09:56 Thu 7/05/09 (BST)

I agree with Drogba and Ballack being upset BUT there are millions of people watching that match including kids, if Ballack shows his temper like that does that mean kids can too because a "Superstar" has... or Drogba swearing on LIVE TV does that mean kids can swear if something don't go their way? Thing is yes the ref was wrong on nearlyevery decision he made and Chelsea should have got 3/4 penalties BUT Barcelona did get 71% of the possesion and you knew they was going to come out on top.

Me personally wanted another Chelsea vs Manchester United final because last years final was class, but it's Barcelona and no matter what the ref done or didn't do lol nothing will change that.... BUT UEFA need to get better refs to officate the bigger matches because Fletchers red on tuesday... JOKE... Abidal red.... JOKE.... 4/5 pens over the 2 nights..... JOKE

Now to the final.... United got to be favourites now due to lack of defence on Barcelona's side of things especially with Rooney and Ronaldo playing close if not the best they have ever played... Only thing we need to worry about is Henry, Messi, Eto'o and Iniesta

United are evens to win and barca are 10/11 on should be a good final, although how you can say abidal and fletchers red cards were a joke lol but they were clear goal scoring opportunities and last man they had to go.

Fletcher did touch the ball away

Didnt see barca game last night. I wasnt going the pub to watch it... Had better thing to do .

Barca to win the final.... I said that since they beat bayern munich.. I even said it before chelsea knocked us out of the CL. If we had got through and played barca.. i would obiously be wanting liverpool to win but i dont think we would of beaten them tbh.

Anyway, Why would i want man united to defend the cup? And have that record? More bragging rights for them.

I like to see english sides show what english football is all about, but i would prefer barca to win over united. It isnt because i am anti english.

Just like in any other game, I would prefer man united and chelsea to loose than other teams like fulham, city, spurs, everton (they come from merseyside, so wish them well in the FA CUP).

Nothing beats football banter, just not many people see it as banter.

Anelka tripped himself, you can see this clearly on the replay. Fletcher got the ball, Yaya Toures tackle on Drogba in the second half was exactly the same. The only thing he got right was booking Dani Alves thats because he was a constant pain lol but he will be missed big time in the final. As for ste it sounds like your the only wolly on this football banter judging my other peoples views on you ;),

Thanks for the backing 147max lol

Take another good look at the replays!!!!

I watched the whole game half at home half at work, Lets started with the first goal what a scorcher (The only thing nobody has spoken about is the goals so lets go there) Essien did amazing and I was pround when he hit that beauty.

The first penalty shout came, ok he gave a free kick outside the area and if you look I think it did start outside just it was worse inside.

Second penalty shout, Drogba is a huge big man he got to the goal keeper and fell I don't care if anybody disagrees which you all will... He fell and could of stayed up so not a penalty for me.

Third Penalty shout, his pique's arm and this is the only real penalty shout that they should of being given ok maybe he might not of had time remove his arm but he definatly obstructed the ball and he even admited it after and also said 'If the ref doesnt give a penalty I am not going to disagree' which any footballer would agree to in any game so that should of being a penalty.

Barca's goal, another great goal was a beauty from about 20 yards out again and he smashed the back of the net both goals today were amazing and came from beautiful play.

The forth penalty shout, don't be so god damn stupid he hit the ball at the player no matter who what where how or why he was never going to be able to move in time and I would not of given that as a penalty either and also by the projectory it was most proberbly going to fly over the bar anyways.

Definatly should of had 1 penalty but 4 not to sure

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Onto everything else, I am a stoke fan and I can't stand liverpool like how Ste feels for Newcastle but aslong as a English team (preferbly man utd) lift that trophy every single year thats when it all comes together, I don't want a Spanish team say 'We are better' becuase we all no we got the best league in the world but we need to conquer Europe every year to prove this and I personally beleive Ste would not be to happy if Liverpool won it but he will be alot happier that a Foreign team did not take it home

Also I don't no if you can like your country or your club more or less, Just look at it this way and think to yourself which would I go for:

Stoke City Vs Barcelona (Champs League Final)
England Vs Brazil (World cup final)

Say I got a ticket to both and both being played on the same day I no I will be at Stoke not England, just everybody replace Stoke with your team and honestly think where would you prefer to be!

ok having just seen them both in full! I take it back

Virtuoso107 you don't have a clue about football so no point in arguing with you.

Mike so what if i don't have a season ticket at least i can say I've had one for four years since i was 13, this is the only year (since I've properly understood football) that I've not had a season ticket which ill regret for life cause it looks like I'm going to miss the biggest game of my life in the F.A cup final!!

Not bothered what yas say but how can ya want a Spanish team to win over an English! Pathetic, definitely a screw missing in ya heads!