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19:31 Thu 16 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Is the cup league going to be for clans?

Hmm difficult...here goes.


7 players will be playing leaving 5 subs (more than enough)


Everybody has to play best of 3 in each game mode.


Bonus points as follows

50+ in arc, reg, orig - 1 point

100+ in arc, reg, orig - 2 point

7+ in carom - 1 point


Defaults the same as clan league


Captain/Vice captain can only pick 12 players for the whole duration of the tournament - rolling subs is allowed.


That's my thought, some rules would probably need some tweaking but looks pretty good to me.
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19:33 Thu 16 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
the only problem i can see happening if u lower the clan numbers now is the newer clans folding because the players wont be happy with others having to leave and maybe the full 15 are dedicated and dont want to leave
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19:49 Thu 16 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
yes mate,

i would have 3 arc, 3 reg, 2 orig, 2 carom then it gives people who dont play carom or orig a chance.

pool has 5 v 5 with 1 week deadline but this could be changed if needed.

i see your point ant but the way we are atm we are down to 5 clans (currently in league atm) and 1 up and coming so its ok atm. if we get about 10 clans i can make 2 divisions

Edited at 16:54 Thu 16/09/10 (BST)
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20:05 Thu 16 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
mooney said:
dgeneratio said:
moons will kill me for using the p word

You should know better not to swear. In future please don't abuse the chat filter by saying the 'P word'

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13:40 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
im also thinking of going a golden cue award next season (no thread needed) so the player who has won most frames out of ALL clans will win this award.

Example can be found here:

http://ankh-morpork.no/index.php?page=players

and

http://ankh-morpork.no/index.php?page=players&division=2

i cant see any objections to this to be fair but feel free to post your opinions on the following...

- Possible Clan Cup/Format
- Lowering Cap from 15 to 12
- Golden Cue Award

thanks.

Edited at 10:47 Fri 17/09/10 (BST)
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20:04 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
All depends, what is a golden cue award?
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20:07 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
its just like you win a trophy at end of ind league but you get a golden cue trophy instead
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20:11 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
im also thinking of going a golden cue award next season (no thread needed) so the player who has won most frames out of ALL clans will win this award.

The problem with that is it doesn't necessarily show who the 'best' player is because it obviously becomes easier to win it the more games you're given.

Maybe it should be the player with the highest Win %
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20:11 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Cool, sounds good.
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20:17 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
true but what if 1 person has won and others played like 8 and lost one?
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20:21 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
true but what if 1 person has won and others played like 8 and lost one?

Well yeah it's not perfect.

Edited at 17:42 Fri 17/09/10 (BST)
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20:24 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
I played 1 game and 1 6-0...GIVE ME MY TROPHY!!!
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20:27 Fri 17 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
haha curt, its not coming until next season.

hopefully the new site will be done by then
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15:16 Sat 18 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
please take a look at this, its a discussion about this game golden cue subject on pool:

perfect_play said:
Hey guys,

i am a competitive guy as a lot of you know, but i cant attempt to even win the golden cue in the individuals league because this season you have decided to count the cup games as well.

my team was knocked out in the first round, so is it my fault that i cant go on to win the golden cue?

i am just saying its a bit unfair if we all don't get to play the same amount of clan games. if i played the same amount as destiny i think i would be comfortably in 2nd or third place,

i personally don't like the choice you guys have made and tbh it sort of makes me not want to do the clan game thing anymore,


ab_rfc said:
edited after reading the above post

Alot of players still try to win the golden cue and its always been just league results, I think it should include cup results as its part of the FCL but this can give players a disadvantage as the cup is only 5 aside so less players get the chance to play, also as mentioned by perfect_play, players in clans getting knocked out in the early rounds can forget it, so maybe keep it to the league where all clans play the same amount of fixtures.

Edited at 10:45 Sat 18/09/10 (BST)
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15:17 Sat 18 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
janmb said:
I agree with the concerns above

Then again, players getting different number of games will be a problem even if just counting league games - it's just how it is...

How about this:

We keep the player statistics as they are - as just that: Statistics.


In addition, we could add an official Golden Cue table which I\d suggest being calculated as this:

The table is sorted by Points Per Game, not total points. To avoid players winning from a single, lucky game, we would have to require a minimum of games played to take part in this table, say for example minimum 5 games.

Thoughts?

I've been tempted to sort the player stat table by points per game for a long time anyway - that's the real score of how well a player has done over time anyway, but somehow need to sort out the problem with a player sitting with a single, very good (or lucky) game played.

Also keep in mind that all such tables are not only a result of how well the player has done, but also who he has meat. Even for the best players, the result is a two-way thing, factoring in both your own effort as well as that of the opponent... Hence the need for at least a few games minimum to be eligible for the golden cue event...
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15:18 Sat 18 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
horse10000 said:
I agree with the points per game, if you want a golden cue winner why not have the player with the best average as long as he has played for example 6 games.

Would stop a player who had one or two big wins winning it.


my thoughts...

dgeneratio said:

true im talking about this precise thing on snooker, someone suggested that win ratio could be better than total frames which i can agree upon but ive mentioned the fact and you guys have as well that what happens is 1 person wins and sits out rest of season to win this award it doesn't work out.

but the minimum games is a great idea, because my league is shorter than pools due to less clans i think 5 or 6 games is a reasonable amount to follow.

great points made and i hope this is changed next season but i wouldn't be proper fussed if it stayed the same.


ab_rfc said:
I see the golden cue a bit like a top scorer in a football season, frames instead of goals tho, shouldn't matter who you play against or how many games you play, its about who wins the most frames in a season or goals scored, I just think if we keep it to the league results it gives players the opportunity to play the same amount of games.


janmb said:
Maybe consider running two events like James proposed then:

One for the best player in each league, and another for the top scorer equivalent.


what you think?

Edited at 13:11 Sat 18/09/10 (BST)
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16:37 Sat 18 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Don't overcomplicate everything with multi leagues and awards. It's just a game. Keep it simple.

All we need is....

a match format,
a set number of players as to allow other clans to start up, thus making the clan league more competitive.

Problem with the above is certain players will only play for a select few clans.
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18:36 Sat 18 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
about golden cue:
i agree with a points per game system where players must have played a minimum number of frames in order to be eligible for the award.
I know this from the US, where similar systems are used to determine who wins individual awards in team sports (completely unrelated to snooker, but works the same way).
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19:18 Sat 18 Sep 10 (BST)  [Link]  
tbh since the indvidual league been brought in hardly none of the main games been played,so pretty much a waste of time!

too much getting thrown in too fast in my opinion.
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