compromise at 16?

thanks seb,

any feedback on individual league?

once we know what teams will be then i can start entry thread going as seb said above.

is the cup over yet? if not i have proposed an idea on cup thread.

Rule Proposal:

"9.c) Once the season has started, free agents are only eligible to join a clan once their account is at least 31 days old."

The idea here is to stop players deactivating and joining other clans as free agents once the season has started.
Note "Once the season has started" means that players with an account younger than 31 days are eligible on the initial teamsheet at the beginning of the season (example fuzzy). This only takes effect once the season has started.

Comments? Changes? Suggestions?

Current rules are here:
http://funkysnookerclanleague.freeforums.org/clan-league-rules-t9.html

Like it very much!

i like it too, i know 1 person who doesnt though

Great idea

Right, added that.
Two other rules which have been added (just informing you).

7.c) "Spectators must be approved by both players beforehand. Exception: The clan runner, captains and vice-captains of the players involved are allowed to watch."

15.c) "Punishments for rules violations (among others: fair-play rules, second accounts, etc.) are decided by the default team. Punishments can include warnings, suspensions, bans. Punishments must be approved by at least 4 members of the default team."

Just to confirm another one- Is it agreed that the default team will have the option of awarding less than the complete 6 points if players haven't made enough of an effort?

definately, i know jan on pool said it messes the tables up as its not equal but people shouldn't get points if they don't deserve them.

14b) Unplayed frames can not be forfeited! (ex. if you are 2-0 down, you should not forfeit the remaining 4 even if you don't want to play anymore). It is not fair to your opponent or the other clans and could easily be abused. Unplayed frames (even if "forfeited") will go to defaults.

Why not?! As I said to dgen earlier, It should be discouraged but not as a rule. If someone wants to forfeit, let them, and lose all the frames they could have potentially won. I don't see how it could easily be abused to be honest as well.

only thing i could say to that is it lets the team down as a whole, player loses a little respect but im sure they would deal with that, say FSE needed 2 points for victory then destiny for instance (only using as an example) decides to concede the match then you would lose by the 1 point.

shouldn't you encourage the person to at least try to play before giving the points away?

at defaults the conceding is noted and 9/10 they don't get any points from it anyway.

just my view

It distorts competition, since frames are not decided on the table or by effort (defaults). By making it a punishable offense, we can discourage players from doing it.
Another aspect is that sometimes people get frustrated after losing a couple of frames and decide to concede the rest in the heat of the moment. By saying that all unplayed frames go to defaults, people have another chance to play them (similar reason why we have the option to reactivate now).

damien also talked about the "gg wp" rule earlier and i partly agree that you should be allowed to say it but it can be used as a tactic, i know most wouldn't do this but some would.

been changed to:

d) Do not say things like "gg wp" before the frame is decided, unless you are absolutely sure the opponent doesn't mind this. Many people are put off by this. In case of doubt, saying 'gg wp' should occur when you are so far behind, that you wouldn't carry on for snookers..

is that alright or does it need modifing more?

I think it is unfair for anyone to be able to force their way into a clan game, be it the captain, vice-captain whoever. If people want to play in private they should be allowed to!

true but remember the instances last season where people said one thing and someone said another, how can you prove it? only way would be screenshots (if not edited) or by results (if it was to due with scores).

I see your point.
I included this because we had a case I think 2 seasons back, where a player wanted a witness, because he had trouble with his opponent in the past. If we take out captains and vice-captains, just keep runners in the rule, is that better?
I"m very much in favor of keeping the option of a witness available. We have rules about "pushouts" in the code of conduct along with other in-game guidelines. These can only be verified via spectator.

No resistance to this one then...

Edited at 00:45 Sun 26/06/11 (BST)

Another topic, which probably won't cause much discussion: There was the idea of seeding the first round of the cup.
However, since half the teams will be new this year, this probably doesn't make much sense. Just confirming... comments?

cup should be random, always.