I still don't like it at all. It's specifically designed to be a contest that lasts the entire season. Over the course of the season, the best team will be the one which wins the most points. A narrow 28-26 win in a fixture shouldn't turn into a 38-26 win.

If we wanted to use a system where fixture wins are rewarded, we would have to give points for a win and make that the primary thing to aim for (like in football leagues, where points decide, not goals).
I much prefer the current system to be honest.

But others can comment.

thats exactly what no default bonus does though.

at the moment a team can go undefeated and still lose because of no defaults bonus.

not going into it or even suggest we should put win bonus or take out no default bonus just thought id point it out

Well no, it's not the same. A 28-26 with no defaults turns into a 38-36.

It's an incentive to get games done and therefore make the league run smoother, whereas the win bonus is an attempt to shape which clan should win.

If we want to reward fixture wins, we should switch to a football-like points system: 5 for a win, 2 for a draw, 0 for loss. Frames count as tiebreaker.

That would be possible, but I still by far prefer the current system.

Yet the whole outcome of the league currently can be decided on bonus points.

In my opinion, scrap all bonus points and just keep it simple and which ever clan wins the most frames, wins.

Defaults have gone down since we implemented the bonus rule. everyone was for it at the time and there has been very little criticism of it yet.

It's an incentive to get games done and makes the league run smoother.

Scale Bonus points down. Simple.

I'm obviously open to suggestions.
There was a reason for the 10 points though. We wanted to make sure that people would sub good but inactive players out towards the end of a fixture to get games done.
If the bonus points aren't worth it, people will leave their player in and risk the default instead of subbing and getting it done. That's not what we want.

Penalty points for conceding/refusal to play?

The defaults are a penalty? The winning team is getting (in the case of sean_paul vs cagerage if the remainder isn't played) 4 frames for free.

We can start handing out warnings to players for a first offense and suspend them if it happens again.

Yep, costs both clans 10 bonus points too Seb. Particulary the unoffending clan. I can't see any reason why not to give out penalty points.

So should penalty points only be handed out if it actually costs 10 points (meaning if all the other games are completed)?

Everyone plays everyone else, so we all deal with the same thing throughout the season.

My reason not to give out penalty points- I don't like punishing the clan even more than with defaults for the actions of single players. I think punishing the players is the better option.

It punishes the players yes, and also potentially punishes the other clan though. That is the problem. Penaltys would discourage this.

Gonna be brutally honest and say the majority of conceded games are probably conceded because they feel they will most like be beat anyway, so a default doesn't change much IMO.

I don't think a punishment would help.
At the moment, the clan is already punished by losing the default and losing the potential 10 bonus points. Clearly the player already doesn't care about this punishment. I don't think they would care about another punishment to the clan.
Conceding is a selfish act to begin with. I would say the clan of the conceding player is as much of a victim as the winning clan.

The only thing these players potentially care about is being able to play in the league. That to me seems like a more effective punishment.

hmm how about if a clan doesnt make an effort, give the unaffected team half bonus points?

What does "clan doesn't make an effort" mean in real terms?

like what damee and moons been saying like close to finishing a fixture but cant get bonus due to people conceding/refusing.

I would be ok with that, but ONLY when the conceded fixture is actually the only one remaining.

fair enough

should we warn players who left.

if i remember one who played lyle left because he was losing then left clan altogether.

I have messaged both with the post I put up on Attacking Super Stars thread.
He says he's left the clan, but there is nothing barring him from returning and completing his game.