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crazy_dave
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01:44 Fri 28 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Have all the teams been decided for the next season. If so can someone point me in the right direction
dgeneratio
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01:44 Fri 28 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
crazy_dave said:
Have all the teams been decided for the next season. If so can someone point me in the right direction

not yet mate, still pre season friendlies
whocares8x8
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01:45 Fri 28 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
nope. we're playing the pre-season friendlies at the moment, where clans try to prove they can sustain themselves over the season.

The default team will decide which clans make it into next season after these fixtures.
adam_147
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02:22 Fri 28 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
In that case, option 2 is still the best .
dgeneratio
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23:25 Fri 28 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
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00:46 Sat 29 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
The reason I wouldn't include that circumstance is that now we've turned a completion bonus into a "win your defaults" bonus.
What if a player was offline for the last 7 days and they can't sub? 5 days? 3 days? It's a slippery slope.
The whole idea is to reduce defaults. If it doesn't accomplish this, let's cut it out (option 4).
I'm still in favor of keeping it the way it is. Everyone has to deal with the same clans.

Edited at 22:02 Thu 27/10/11 (BST)


That may be so but season before last dollars and cents played chaos crew at the start of the season and got the completion bonus by the end of the season when we played them they were very inactive and we did not get the completion bonus. Things change over a season.
whocares8x8
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00:52 Sat 29 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Fair point.

I'll send a message around for captains/vices this weekend so that more people will take a look. Votes will decide.
whocares8x8
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01:18 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Just posted on all clan threads asking for comments/votes. This is for their information.
whocares8x8 said:
We also haven't really decided on the completion bonus for next season.

Currently, both clans get a bonus of 10 points if all the games in their fixture are completed.

The suggestion was made that if the last (or more?) unplayed game in a fixture is due to one player conceding, the other team will still get the full bonus.

Another suggestion is that the team in this situation will get a 5 point bonus, instead of the full 10 points (because not all games have been completed).

Final suggestion was made to scrap the bonus entirely.

Again, options:

1. Keep it as it is. 10 points for completed fixture, no exceptions.
2. If defaults are all due to conceding, give 10 points to the other team.
3. If defaults are all due to conceding, give 5 points to the other team.
4. Eliminate the completion bonus entirely.

We have to get this sorted before the real league games start.
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01:51 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
i havnt played in a season over here yet but i say keep it as it is.... if its not broke dont fix it. but also think that if only 1 match isnt played and its clearly due to someone who has not been on for like 2 weeks for example then i think the other team should still receive the full bonus points
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03:02 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
2. If defaults are all due to conceding, give 10 points to the other team.

Would be my vote. It's not fair if the opposition concede.
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09:33 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
I have not played in the league yet, do want to this season.

I think this should be scraped because this is just giving away points to another clan who are active, So just because they are active they get the points.

I think that the actual matches, friendly's and league games should be at a set time and day, so the matches get played. where everyone in the clans, play there matches on the same day at the same time.

This will show who is prepared to be a trust worthy clan member, If there is a problem they can not play on that day and time then they should contact there clan captain, simple

Player's who are online at that certain time should post on there clans thread there here waiting for the game to start and if the other player they are playing does not turn up for it then that player who is online wins the match. and posts it on the clans thread. This also proves they were online at that time waiting to play.

I think that getting a player online, who you should be playing is a nightmare, even if you message that player which i have been doing to play my pre season friendly game, does not respond and i have tried my hardest to get the game done. It not fair on the players who actually want to play and the players who just aint bothered.

Think this needs looking at more than the conceding rules.
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10:50 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
People are on different timezones so impossible to all play at the same time. i think its fine how it is..


and my vote is option 2
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11:11 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
no.4, scrap it altogether, one less thing for u to worry about and more than likely cause arguments if its changed.
dgeneratio
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12:12 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
_nut_case_ said:
no.4, scrap it altogether, one less thing for u to worry about and more than likely cause arguments if its changed.

agreed as adam proved there are millions of scenarios for option 2, i personally think either keep option 1 or scrap it altogether as i don't think it would be bonus points anymore if you add inactivity/conceding for unplayed games.
damee
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13:10 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
For option 2, this would only cover conceding of the games, as it's against the rules to do so anyway and we all know people still try it.

Scrapping it I do agree with to a degree, the question is will people still play all their games if there is no real incentive for teams to complete games.
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13:46 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
if it only covers conceding then im fine with option 2 as Seb said, anymore than that then scrap.

and thats the big question, i know some people may let the games go to default if the bonus system was scrapped (not saying you would but others would).
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20:09 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Couple of things,

1. If teams know they are going to lose then they might not play their games so the other team does not get an extra 10 points?

2. If players can not play their game for diff time zone or cant get contact with their opponent then a neccesary substitute should be submitted.

There fore I choose keep it as it is.
whocares8x8
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20:12 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
ferocity said:
1. If teams know they are going to lose then they might not play their games so the other team does not get an extra 10 points?
In that case, they are hurting themselves as well though, because they'll miss out on the 10 points as well.
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20:38 Wed 2 Nov 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
I personally beleive that option 3 is the best idea, together combined with option 1 of course. 10 points if both sides complete the fixture, with 5 for those who only miss out because of conceding,
Alternitavely again though, if a clan stops another clan from getting the whole 10 points by conceding frames, then i think that clan should be penalised by 5 points ?

just an idea to throw out there as i beleive that if a clan loses 5 points on a regular basis because of 1 or 2 players then they will get rid out them (if they are intellegent) and thus, will push frame conceders and half-willed players out of the clan league which, in turn, should make for less defaults ?
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option 2
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