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12:43 Thu 3 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
No brainer option 2.
If I had my way you'd give the person conceeding a 2 fixture ban. No room for poor sportsmanship imo.
If I had my way you'd give the person conceeding a 2 fixture ban. No room for poor sportsmanship imo.
19:00 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
Right, number 2 is clearly the preferred option.
So starting this season, if the remaining unplayed games are due to players conceding, the other clan will get the full 10 bonus points.
So starting this season, if the remaining unplayed games are due to players conceding, the other clan will get the full 10 bonus points.
19:01 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
Last issue that I want cleared up:
We had a case in the pre-season friendlies, where a player won a fixture 6-0 and was subsequently banned (most likely for duplicate account). How do we deal with this when it happens during the season and the score matters?
At the moment, we have nothing in the rules to change the score after it is played.
Suggestions?
We had a case in the pre-season friendlies, where a player won a fixture 6-0 and was subsequently banned (most likely for duplicate account). How do we deal with this when it happens during the season and the score matters?
At the moment, we have nothing in the rules to change the score after it is played.
Suggestions?
19:03 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
normally the score stands as its played but maybe a 5 point penalty for both teams which this person had an account on? or make it invalid.
19:05 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
result shouldn't stand. Clan with the offending player in should be allowed to put a different player in, but if they dont then its a 6-0 concession win to the other player.
19:06 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
Doesnt work as you wouldnt know what the other account was unless staff told you, which we won't.
dgeneratio said:
normally the score stands as its played but maybe a 5 point penalty for both teams which this person had an account on? or make it invalid.
Doesnt work as you wouldnt know what the other account was unless staff told you, which we won't.
19:08 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
I'm not a fan of penalties for the clan, because it's usually impossible to tell if this was just an individual player's action.
There will of course be a penalty of some sort for the player (this is already covered by the rules).
Letting the score stand is not ok. It could be replayed with a valid sub. Or give an automatic 6-0 for the other player?
There will of course be a penalty of some sort for the player (this is already covered by the rules).
Letting the score stand is not ok. It could be replayed with a valid sub. Or give an automatic 6-0 for the other player?
19:09 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link] True, but there have been a number of cases (especially on pool) where we knew with certainty who it was. In those cases, we can apply punishments for the league.
adam_147 said:
Doesnt work as you wouldnt know what the other account was unless staff told you, which we won't.
19:18 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
In that case yeah, but in general would be tricky.
Certainly the result can't stand though.
Certainly the result can't stand though.
19:29 Sun 6 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
Agreed. Just trying to figure out whether to give an automatic 6-0 the other way (regardless of what the score was originally) or have it replayed with a sub.
00:48 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
Am I the only one who thinks the score should still stand? So If I beat a user 6-0 then that user got banned, I have to play again? At the time of the fixture being played, both players were valid to play that fixture, so I can't see why the fixture wouldn't stand.
01:03 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
Well, in the case we had in the pre-season friendlies, it was a duplicate account and a good one at that.
If, let's say, adam decides to get on a duplicate account, spanks someone 6-0, then gets banned, his clan shouldn't really benefit from that I think.
If, let's say, adam decides to get on a duplicate account, spanks someone 6-0, then gets banned, his clan shouldn't really benefit from that I think.
01:04 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
If it's obvious that is the case, then I totally agree!
17:44 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
What would you say then? Automatic 6-0 or does the clan in question get to put in a sub to play it?
I'm favoring a sub at the moment. It's probably not the clan's fault if one of their players was being an idiot. This way, the score can still be decided on the table.
I'm favoring a sub at the moment. It's probably not the clan's fault if one of their players was being an idiot. This way, the score can still be decided on the table.
17:50 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
I think the score should stand, unless the example above happens where 2 accounts owned by one user face each other resulting in a ban, then the match should be replayed.
17:54 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
adam (or other mod)- If someone in the league gets banned and it brings up an issue like this, are you allowed to inform one of us about the reason for the ban? No specifics, just "duplicate account", "abuse", "racism" or something like that?
That would allow us to solve this problem. If the answer is duplicate account, the result wouldn't stand. If it's something else, such as abuse, the result would count.
That would allow us to solve this problem. If the answer is duplicate account, the result wouldn't stand. If it's something else, such as abuse, the result would count.
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18:49 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
The trouble with allowing the sub is that the player may get the ban towards the end of the fixture.
I'd suggest defaulting 6-0 to simplify matters (even if the game was already completed).
I should hope this wouldn't become a regular occurance anyway.
whocares8x8 said:
What would you say then? Automatic 6-0 or does the clan in question get to put in a sub to play it?
I'm favoring a sub at the moment. It's probably not the clan's fault if one of their players was being an idiot. This way, the score can still be decided on the table.
I'm favoring a sub at the moment. It's probably not the clan's fault if one of their players was being an idiot. This way, the score can still be decided on the table.
The trouble with allowing the sub is that the player may get the ban towards the end of the fixture.
I'd suggest defaulting 6-0 to simplify matters (even if the game was already completed).
I should hope this wouldn't become a regular occurance anyway.
18:53 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
nah they can't, it would be good if they could but unless another person tells you other than staff then it will be staff info.
i have the same problems on pool about duplicate accounts.
whocares8x8 said:
adam (or other mod)- If someone in the league gets banned and it brings up an issue like this, are you allowed to inform one of us about the reason for the ban? No specifics, just "duplicate account", "abuse", "racism" or something like that?
That would allow us to solve this problem. If the answer is duplicate account, the result wouldn't stand. If it's something else, such as abuse, the result would count.
That would allow us to solve this problem. If the answer is duplicate account, the result wouldn't stand. If it's something else, such as abuse, the result would count.
nah they can't, it would be good if they could but unless another person tells you other than staff then it will be staff info.
i have the same problems on pool about duplicate accounts.
19:21 Mon 7 Nov 11 (GMT) [Link]
so they can just kick someone out and no one will ever find out why? Interesting.
True. How about the sub is made anyway and if it doesn't get played, the default will be done as if the opponent hasn't been available before the sub.
That was a bad explanation lol. Example:
Player B gets banned after playing the game and we know with almost certainty (decided by defaults team) that it was a duplicate account. 2 days before the deadline, the team put another player in to play the fixture, but it doesn't get played and goes to defaults. It will count as if the player who was subbed in was offline until the time the sub was made. That way, the default is heavily in favor of the clan without the banned player.
slatty said:
The trouble with allowing the sub is that the player may get the ban towards the end of the fixture.
That was a bad explanation lol. Example:
Player B gets banned after playing the game and we know with almost certainty (decided by defaults team) that it was a duplicate account. 2 days before the deadline, the team put another player in to play the fixture, but it doesn't get played and goes to defaults. It will count as if the player who was subbed in was offline until the time the sub was made. That way, the default is heavily in favor of the clan without the banned player.
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