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Deleted User
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11:48 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
indeed dameeeeeeee
Deleted User
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11:48 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
If you say so.

I'm an expert at missing things like that anyway. lol

Edited at 17:50 Wed 10/03/10 (GMT)
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13:55 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
damee said:
I'm damee, i'm never wrong


Damee, never wrong indeed!!!

(what about dame & damien though?)
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14:16 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yeah they might have been wrong sometimes

Back on topic though, i'm on the fence as i couldn't care less if it gets changed or not, both sides have their points
dgeneratio
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14:20 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
damee said:
Yeah they might have been wrong sometimes

Back on topic though, i'm on the fence as i couldn't care less if it gets changed or not, both sides have their points


i feel the same way, thats reason i havent posted on this subject
adam_147
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16:19 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
the point that "he has perfected this lag so should be allowed to play it, stop whining" holds no ground at all. i have perfected a way to pot the black in original then pot it again, by your argument i should get 14 points for that...

If something is against the rules of the game then it is against the rules, there can be no arguing that. However at the minute the rules dont match the real ones, so the question is, are those players who have perfected the lag and are using it to win saying that if its changed then they aren't good enough to hit a lag properly? Ive played destiny, dame, karma, cue_power at carom and im pretty sure that all of you are good enough with practice to land the ball close enough to win a lag .

On a slightly unrelated point, i went away to look at the actual rules and there are a few other differences, eg the winner of the lag has the choice of breaking/not breaking, has the choice of yellow or white and can break from anywhere within 6 inches of the opponents cue ball on its spot , not from a set position.
i_am_god
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16:33 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
the game needs to get as close to the real rules as posible

destinys lag shot that he has learnt isnt exactly hard to do anyway its just prac impossible to beat, so my word to those who complain is watch his shot and then if you lag first just make sure your getting the ball somewhere which is on the line of destinys shot, meaning he has to play it a differnet way.

aslong as his opponents ball is in the way.

luke must have a load of little stickers on his screen so he knows where to put the cursor cos the guy gets things spot on every time.

lol

or do as i do, avoid playing him and play someone where your actually gonna get a chance, much more fun than just getting battered over n over again.


however back to my first point. The rules need to be made in accordance with the real rules, just like the whole final black rule thats now in play.

i want to play carom, i dont want to play a game that resembles carom with all these different rules.

The site needs to update and get with it, if i went to a club and gave someone a game of carom to find out that id wasted all this time playing poor rules id be well annoyed, what a waste of time.
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16:55 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
question is : if this was on a diff snooker site would anyone care?
adam_147
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17:03 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
virt_slayer said:
question is : if this was on a diff snooker site would anyone care?


question is : how many other snooker sites offer carom?
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17:15 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
that adam is a very good question
cue_power
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18:26 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Well said Adam,

I asked a friend who actually plays carom, he told me that this version on funky is completly different and has more differences than similarities...

But i just think the lag is completly unfair, period.

Needs changing, full stop.

You all know im right, you just dont want to admit it.
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19:30 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
cue_power said:
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I asked a friend who actually plays carom, he told me that this version on funky is completly different and has more differences than similarities.

extract from wikipedia said:
There is a large array of carom billiards disciplines. Some of the more prevalent today and historically are (chronologically by apparent date of development): straight rail, cushion caroms, balkline, three-cushion billiards and artistic billiards. There are many other carom billiards games, predominantly intermediary or offshoot games combining elements of those already listed, such as the champion's game, an intermediary game between straight rail and balkline, as well as games which are hybrids of carom billiards and pocket billiards, such as English billiards played on a snooker table and its descendant games


the three hightlighted phrases are the key points. not all carom types are the same
adam_147
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20:04 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yes but you have missed the point, if you read into it further you would click on the link for three-cushion billiards or three-cushion carom billiards as it is also called, which is the version played on here. Not all the varieties are offered here. Look at the rules specifically for three-cushion then come back.
cue_power
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20:49 Wed 10 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Pahah!

Love it!

Nick, can you please change the lag rule or this might turn ugly
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03:38 Thu 11 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
cue_power said:
You all know im right, you just dont want to admit it.


No one said you was wrong about it being an illegal shot.....

Another thing about the lag shot is that it's not 100% effective by any means. Very rarely does it land dead on the cushion, so there is always the possibility of beating it, so that debate about it isn't right.

But as stated above, there is many missing rules on the game on this site, and changing a lot of them will effect the leaderboards and thus making it impossible for the long time players who don't reset to catch up to the ones who do (like me) and will be able to hit 60-70% no problem is different rules were in place.

The same goes on the contrary of that point as well.



Okay, this rule wouldn't have an adverse effect on them, but i reckon a lot of people will agree with me in the fact that it would just simply be wrong to change one rule and just ignore the others that are not in accordance with the actual rules.
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07:24 Thu 11 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
damee said:

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Okay, this rule wouldn't have an adverse effect on them, but i reckon a lot of people will agree with me in the fact that it would just simply be wrong to change one rule and just ignore the others that are not in accordance with the actual rules.


To be fair, Damee, this is similar to the final black rule which was changed and therefore your argument is in fact supporting that it should be changed. Other rules are 'ignored' due to the impracticality of implementing value judgements in a computer program.
cue_power
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10:22 Thu 11 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
This is so frustrating!!

Dame...my point is...

The lag shot is unfair and it should be changed.

The other rules that you keep an ongoing debate about doesnt make the game unfair for players.

I just want carom to be a fair game, and like ive repeated losing the lag your giving out a handicap.

Or there will have to be another rule in place to determine who breaks instead of lagging off (incorrectly)
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10:42 Thu 11 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Well if the rule says it cant go over the other half of the table then thats the way it should be.

Takes far more skill to judge power directly and perfectly than copying a perfected shot anyway.
destiny
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08:10 Fri 12 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
People stop it.
Just let us have a thought about this thread...
why was it created... because its an invalid shot??? No way...
ive seen u using the other side of the table as well.
for example when ur white and u do ur lag shot by hitting top left corner.... If i kept on doing that shot to corner nobody would have dared doing a thread because of this irrelevant shot...
you just dont get clear with the succes i and some other are having with it.
And secondly if ur moaning bout the rules then really EVERYTHING should be as the real TV- carom .. becuase u just want to find a reason to forbid it...
I boil with rage
virtuoso147
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09:20 Fri 12 Mar 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
destiny said:
I boil with rage

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