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Sorry to keep harping on about this but let me just fill you in.

I replied to his comments where he said "Liverpool fans were horrible people" and "the most hated".

How is that linked with "World cup related matters".

If I said "all United fans were horrible PEOPLE" becuase PEOPLE is the key word for why he is wayyyy out of order for a "fun forum"

Now lets face it. Despite what you think, I'm not a paticularly touchy person, but those comments are out of order, if you like Derry or not.

You will find that I hadn't said anything to Derry before he said that, as Derry I'm sure will confirm.

He strayed off topic before me, so he will have to accept I bite back, if you give it, you take it. RIGHTS and RESPONSABILITIES.

No mate, we actually are? 18 league titles 5 champions leagues, the most succesful team in England. Nobody has won more.

Yes I agree with you in that what Derry said was not the place for it to be said; but for the love of mary can we please drop the matter now; there's no need to keep going on about it. I don't have a problem with you but people don't want to keep coming on the 'World Cup Thread' and keep reading all these pointless posts, not just from you but from everyone.

Okaaaaaaaaaaay....

Back to footballing matterssssssssssss

England Formation: 4-4-2. To old, to mechanical, and prone when playing against better teams, especially if left mid comes inside and leaves left back all alone.

England Personel: A LCB playing RCB

Centre Attacking Mid, playing Left Mid. Another CAM playing CM. Another CM playing RM.

This is just to accomadate the best 11, the best 11 players, is not the best team.

We lost today because we were asleep for the 1st 30, and suicidal for the last 30. Why did we need 9 players in the box for a shooting FK?

We didn't.

Why did we need JT in the box for a throw in?

We didn't.

Cost us goals 3 and 4.

If the game was 2-2 however, these goals would never have been conceded. Wouldn't have been so suicidal. Which is exactly how that Uraguayan lino will be feeling this time tomorrow!

Disapointing world cup, not long now though until the EURO qualifiers, September I think? Have to regroup for that, with or without Capello.

Heskey coming on at @ 4-1 was on a par with Mclarren standing under his brolly.

lol

Of course, and I appreciate that others cba with me whinging on. It wouldn't have lasted 5 posts if others hadn't tried to get involved in the first place. However it is time to move on.

Derry, I heart u.

Right obviously the ball was over the line and would of completely changed the perspectives of the match but seriouslywe are not good enough.

The fact we were unable to beat USA and Algeria and managed two goals in group C coming second place to the USA is just pure dribble and proves we shouldn't of even qualified.

I just want to say that imo Barry has serverley hurt England this year, he must be fit but he has just showed how poor he really is. The commentators said at one point "Barry has moved up the pitch, Lampard should drop back" Im pretty confident Capello hasnt said to Lampard, drop back. Why should the top goalscoring midfielder and one of the biggest goal threats drop back to holding midfield, its unheard of.

I can only assume that either Capello can't manage or Barry is disobediant. Barry should be holding the midfield annd if he was doing so, Terry wouldnt of attacked the ball isolating Upson for the Klose goal. The second goal was such bad defending and the third was from an England free-kick that hit the wall, fell to Barry and then he did the worst thing ever, tried something fancyand gave the ball away and we let another in.

England aren't good enough, plain and simple. Why do we get our hopes up in the first place and why does it take a 2 goal deficit for England to come out and play. Shameful.

Also the media, release a big exposay every year leading to the world cup and they did it this year with Terry etc, then after the cause all the pain and suffering, affecting Englands chances the next day they are giving free England flags out.

I blame Capello the most though, if he didnt take Heskey (who should never of been there) then he wouldnt of been able to injure Rio Ferdinand and then we wouldnt have to play second rate center backs in Carragher, Upson and a 25% fit Leadly King.

But I'm not bitter about failing epically again because I already knew the scenario.

Ohhh and! Why didnt G.Johnson bring down Schwinsitger for Mullers' first goal!!! He crosses him and pulls his arms back! Bcoz he was on a yellow card and knew he'd miss the next match. Greedy, selfish and unheroic.

There is no doubt in my mind that if that had been any other team IE Brazil, Spain, Italy or Argentina...pretty much everyone then they would of pulled him down. We were 3 on 3 edge of the box! Just pull him to the floor and take your yellow card! You miss next game but who cares! you miss a Quarter-final tie wasn't a final! Plus if he did bring him down it would still only been 2-1. We were never out of it!

At least we can say we gave it a go for once. We tried and tried but just wasnt good enough.

I cant see England being contenders for at least 12 years, who is there coming through?....Nobody.

Lampard should drop abck to holding midfield becuase that is what football is. Players don't stay rigid in their formation, a holding player goes up, another midfielder drops back, a defender is caught up field a right/left back has to slot in, the left/right mid back to full back. Its not dificult, if your willing to do it.

Yesterday Clarance Seedorf pointed out clips of fat boy ball watching when not in posession of the ball. Something he does for Chelsea but can get away with, becuase opposition teams do not attack chelsea in the way International teams attack England.

Is the reason Lampard has never been labelled world class, he is a typical example of a player who is good on the ball, yet poor in defense, and as a midfielder he has to be able to protect the back 4 as well. Barry is usually quite adept at shielding the defensive line and also decent in his distribution, however yesterday he cost us by giving the ball away high up the pitch.

Did anybody remember a ball played by our midfield however in the entire tournament played in behind a defense for the strikers?? Nothing. Lampard and Barry didn't create a chance in the whole tournament for another player. I'm pretty sure of it.

As for Johnson, I was screaming the exact same thing, take your yellow Glenn! Your crap anyway!

Nope, nothing coming through after the 'golden generation' which reflects how poor the premierleague is. However people care more for club than country so inevitable really.

Derry, you could point the finger at Terry for all 4 goals. He was simply awful, as he usually is for England, a slight move in the defensive line and he couldn't cope with it, Upson took the blame for the first goal, but it was Terry misjudging the flight of the ball, it was Terry who got to close to Upson for the second, leaving the whole right hand side for Johnson to defend. It was Terry who was up the pitch for goals 3 and 4. Did Capello really want him up there?

Edited at 14:26 Mon 28/06/10 (BST)

Just watched the highlights again, shocking lol.

Moving on to the next world cup and sky sports news is broadcasting English up and coming talent.

Keiran Gibbs
Jack Rodwell
Jack Wilshere

That was all they had hah!

There will be no James, Terry, A.cole, Lampard, Gerrard, J.cole aswell as Heskey, Barry etc.

Cant wait til' Euro 2012 lmao! Last chance saloon for them probs.

World cup 2014 will be alright I guess, as long as we find a manager that can manage... teach Lennon how to cross, Walcott how to finish and Rooney for that matter, G.Johnson how to defend, Milner wont have to play the wing and a positive thing is that we wont have to play Lampard and Gerrard together.

Fancy all that talk SIX years ago about them not being able to play together...and six years on SIX we are still playing them! lol.


Also sky sports news have just been talking about how...

Lampard hasnt scored in 33 shots (the most ever)
Rooney is OFFICIALLY the worst player in the world cup this year, he gave the ball away the most amount of times, his pass % was lower than everyone elses and all these other really bad stats. Could anyone of predicted Rooney to be the worst player statistically.

It was tipped that Rooney would win the golden boot, yet the only thing he won was the wooden spoon! Lmfao!

Btw im not blaming Rooney, i think it just shows how poor england were as a whole.

BRING ON THE PREMIERSHIP!

Right this is my point, When lamps struck the freekick and barry mis controlled the ball on their penalty box 1 player tracks back. Have a guess who? Frank Lampard! "Fatboy" He sprints back but has 2 men to cover, he then slid infron of muller but as he had 2 men he couldnt get tight to him. where was barry? where? nowhere! Frank lampard is a world class scorer, thats a fact. he is the top assisting player in the prem Mike so of course he creates chances. not only does he create more goals than ANY OTHER ENGLISH PLAYER he scored more than all but Rooney! whatever you say bout him Mike it doesnt hold solid ground, he has the highest pedigree.

So if i was managing, would i want lampard dropping back? or barry who is more defensive? its common sense not nuclear science.

We were chasing the game? Arguably the best ariel threat in the England team is Terry Mike, you even no this so the 3rd goal was a freekick...the center backs go up. Thats something Capello will tell Terry to do, for the 3rd goal aswell Terry looks to capello and pearce tells terry to go up. So yes Capello did want him there.

Mike I dont understand why you keep singling out Chelsea players specifially. Yes Terry and Lamps were poor but they wernt the worst players on the pitch.

Like you've said teams dont attack chelsea, so lampy doesnt do defending much, but he has the highest IQ in the team, he isnt stupid and he knows football, Barry is a pure idiot he just wonders off giving the ball away.

If lamps goal had been given i bet no would slag him off then. Imo James and Lamps were the best players.

What is the meaning of life isnt thee question anymore.

Its why cant england perform!

Here im not here to slag off England just Fabio Capello and add a bit or irony


No-one liked Sven Goran Eriksson yet he done better in his tournaments then Fabio has done.. therefore being a more succsesful manager..

Sven's record : 3 tournaments 3 quarters

Fabio's record : 1 tournament Last 16..

Anyone agree?

Agreed, but only bcoz Sven would do what the pundits say lol. Capello too stubborn.



Why oh why did we sell Robben? Such a talented player, what a goal.

1-0 Holland.

I have backed 3-1 and 3-0

capello out

i reckon it should be capello as manger in qualifying and stuart pearce as manager in tournaments

The thing about the 3rd goal was thta Lampard was so blatently going to shoot, it was central 28M out. Why do we need 7 further men ahead of the ball? It was suicidal, we should have hung in there. You have to admit the Terry Upson partnership was awful, infact I had to laugh at the pair of them even though it was so horrible to watch.

Lamparrd had a pretty poor world cup, but a half decent game, a 'goal' and he hit the bar. However, only Stevieeee laaaaa will come out of this tournament with any credit, not for his great captaincy, but he was our best player, scoring and creating.