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17:51 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Hence why I kept saying the "opportunity" for further breaks.
si123 said:
It's not unsporting if it's an option and how do you no you will even make a cent.... Your all going on about cents this and that theres no guarantee you will even make 1 so stop going on about that you just hope you will
Hence why I kept saying the "opportunity" for further breaks.
17:56 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
also the flag should be there at the Snooker Required Stage only, not when we feel like it since there is no snooker required stage i see no reason why it should be added unless you was like 400 behind with 5 minutes to go.
17:57 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
lol i like the hidden shot you took there... playing good players actually leads to a higher score often, because frames get done quicker. anyway, that's beside the point.
i just think it should be consistent with what's happening in tourneys. you're making a commitment to play the game. if you don't then you should be punished for it (meaning abandoned game)
si123 said:
I just like the fact somebody on rank 650 can be 200 behind and leave will stop you playing all of the little ranks and play people at the same skill level as yourselfs
lol i like the hidden shot you took there... playing good players actually leads to a higher score often, because frames get done quicker. anyway, that's beside the point.
i just think it should be consistent with what's happening in tourneys. you're making a commitment to play the game. if you don't then you should be punished for it (meaning abandoned game)
18:58 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Remember high break scores are a side event to the game.
At the point of someone conceding your break score is zero, so the only difference between breaks at this point and breaks you could achieve in a new game are (1) you have a weak opponent and believe they wont play you again, (2) you have already won the game and can play more care free, (3) you are interested in your centuries per game score. I don't think any of these are valid reason to punish an opponent for not wanting to wait around.
Only the problem of whomever chooses to take the option.
jaaaames said:
I was on about the opportunity for breaks being lost. And to be honest, I don't see any reason why the person behind should be able to choose when to end the game. It's not a case of being "locked in"... they're free to leave and earn an abandoned stat. And if the player that's ahead wants to continue.... then why shouldn't they be given every opportunity to?
Remember high break scores are a side event to the game.
At the point of someone conceding your break score is zero, so the only difference between breaks at this point and breaks you could achieve in a new game are (1) you have a weak opponent and believe they wont play you again, (2) you have already won the game and can play more care free, (3) you are interested in your centuries per game score. I don't think any of these are valid reason to punish an opponent for not wanting to wait around.
jaaaames said:
Also... being only 200 points behind, you've got a chance up until the last few minutes, which is why I suggested only being allowed to concede nearer the end of the 15 minutes.
Only the problem of whomever chooses to take the option.
19:05 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Generally this should reduce people leaving on the opponent's break.
dgeneratio said:
come on if you was on 99 and someone left as you took red which was over pocket and the cursor went in another direction you wouldnt tell me you would be ok with it.
you would be annoyed as you SHOULD have made a cent.
you would be annoyed as you SHOULD have made a cent.
Generally this should reduce people leaving on the opponent's break.
19:12 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
but then how did we come to the conclusion that people should be punished for "not wanting to wait around for a tourney game"? it's the same logic surely? one makes a commitment to play the entire tourney. in the same way, one makes a commitment to play a timed power snooker game. but now we are only punishing the first
nick said:
I don't think any of these are valid reason to punish an opponent for not wanting to wait around.
but then how did we come to the conclusion that people should be punished for "not wanting to wait around for a tourney game"? it's the same logic surely? one makes a commitment to play the entire tourney. in the same way, one makes a commitment to play a timed power snooker game. but now we are only punishing the first
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19:22 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
But isn't one about conceding defeat in the face of a better player (with no punishment to the other player other than a hypothetical one) and the other is a punishment for not bothering to turn up and wasting the opponent's (and possibly other tournie player's) time?
19:30 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Fair enough.
But let's remember that this is not a normal snooker game. This is a timed game. The game is supposed to last 15 minutes. There are loads of great achievements to be had (1000+ points in the game, several cents in the game). These are taken away when the opponent has the chance to concede early.
Are players allowed to concede in the real version of this game? No (i think). Conceding early is against the spirit of this and any timed game.
But let's remember that this is not a normal snooker game. This is a timed game. The game is supposed to last 15 minutes. There are loads of great achievements to be had (1000+ points in the game, several cents in the game). These are taken away when the opponent has the chance to concede early.
Are players allowed to concede in the real version of this game? No (i think). Conceding early is against the spirit of this and any timed game.
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20:10 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
I see your point. There is nothing specific in the rules about conceding, although the implication is that there is no concede option. In normal snooker, concession, theoretically, must be accepted by the opponent but in practice this is never the case.
However, saying all that, you are comparing a mostly media driven spectator sport verses the practicalities of an online game (in real life people just don't walk out without a by-your-leave - unless you are Ronnie of course). If you wish to be that strict on the rules reflecting real life, then all rules must be adhered to (full 30 mins for example) and not just the ones that suit a particular player or group of players.
However, saying all that, you are comparing a mostly media driven spectator sport verses the practicalities of an online game (in real life people just don't walk out without a by-your-leave - unless you are Ronnie of course). If you wish to be that strict on the rules reflecting real life, then all rules must be adhered to (full 30 mins for example) and not just the ones that suit a particular player or group of players.
22:32 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Well, I dont think we're going to agree on this and a decision has been made. I know it's not the real thing, but I think people conceding in a timed game is still wrong.
22:33 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
true, no matter what we say will change matters now so we will have to deal with it i suppose even though people may leave/concede more often.
whocares8x8 said:
Well, I dont think we're going to agree on this and a decision has been made. I know it's not the real thing, but I think people conceding in a timed game is still wrong.
true, no matter what we say will change matters now so we will have to deal with it i suppose even though people may leave/concede more often.
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23:39 Fri 12 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
I still say bring back the half cents.
Getting a 50-99 break is still a damn good achievement, even for a new user to the game.
Getting a 50-99 break is still a damn good achievement, even for a new user to the game.
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04:56 Mon 15 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Should be aloud flag and leave at any stage in the game in fairness...if you know you cant beat your oponent after say ten minutes.
I mean who cares about the spirit of the timed-game on this site. Just wanna rack up wins and rank, not sit there watching a pro bang in 100+ (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) .
They could still finish they're break and they have theyre win... What more dose a player want?
BRING ON THE FLAG OPTION!!
I mean who cares about the spirit of the timed-game on this site. Just wanna rack up wins and rank, not sit there watching a pro bang in 100+ (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) .
They could still finish they're break and they have theyre win... What more dose a player want?
BRING ON THE FLAG OPTION!!
17:49 Mon 15 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
That last post clearly illustrates poor sportsmenship, sportsmenship being something which this site has endlessly tried to promote.
By allowing an opponent to concead mid-game is not acceptable. It completely flaws the general defence that has been carried out over the previous years concerning sportsmenship.
Like whocares8x8 said, there are goals that the better players aim for and because of cowards who will press the concead button, its preventing goals being reached.
This simply sends out a pathetic message for anything competitive. It has a disgusting attitude and is shameful. Basially if you are losing, then concead and start a new game...no point trying to win once you go behind.
Shambolic.
By allowing an opponent to concead mid-game is not acceptable. It completely flaws the general defence that has been carried out over the previous years concerning sportsmenship.
Like whocares8x8 said, there are goals that the better players aim for and because of cowards who will press the concead button, its preventing goals being reached.
This simply sends out a pathetic message for anything competitive. It has a disgusting attitude and is shameful. Basially if you are losing, then concead and start a new game...no point trying to win once you go behind.
Shambolic.
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18:00 Mon 15 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Yeah you go Derry! Beautifully put!
Agree with every word!
Agree with every word!
18:11 Mon 15 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
on another note, can anyone tell me when the cue ball is considered to be in the baulk? is it touching? more than half way over? completely clearing the line?
there have been a few occasions where the cue ball looked to be exactly half way in/out of the zone and it doesn't give me power shot.
there have been a few occasions where the cue ball looked to be exactly half way in/out of the zone and it doesn't give me power shot.
20:11 Mon 15 Nov 10 (GMT) [Link]
Most of the white has to be behind the line I believe.
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