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11:31 Sat 27 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
karlos said:
I'm loving YOU are loving this thread Cuey !

Carom loves you too ! Fact . -

Nick is so active these days, so i decided to re-open the issue, after your previous 'attempt', hoping that it will finally get the attention it deserves. We got luckier this time.. :P
Not that Nick didnt care before, but, timing is everything sometimes!

I'm also posting LAG rule:

Official Rules : http://billiardsystems.com/gamerules.php

4. Lagging for the Break Position. (1) Each player selects a cue ball, which is placed on the table within the head string and the head rail, and then strokes the ball to the foot rail hard enough for it to return to the head rail. The balls in lagging may touch the side rails, though it is not required. If the two balls touch while being lagged, the player whose ball strayed across the center of the table will loose the lag. If a player's ball hits the red ball, or if the player's ball jumps the table, he will loose the lag. (2) The player whose ball comes to rest nearer to the head rail wins the lag. (3) The winner of the lag has the right to the break shot or to assign the break shot to the opponent. (4) The winner of the lag has the choice of cue balls, which is then used for the duration of the game.



Also that as well fuzzy
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17:21 Sat 27 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
16:24 Fri 26/11/10 Carom - karlos got a run of 8 points
16:19 Fri 26/11/10 Carom - karlos got a run of 7 points

15 points in 5 mins / 2 frames ! (add 1+ min for the first run)

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19:39 Fri 26/11/10 Carom - karlos got a run of 8 points
19:35 Fri 26/11/10 Carom - karlos got a run of 6 points

14 points in 4 mins / 2 frames ! (add 1+ min for the first run)

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17:18 Sat 27/11/10 Carom - karlos got a run of 6 points
17:15 Sat 27/11/10 Carom - karlos got a run of 9 points

15 points in 3 mins / 2 frames ! (add 1+ min for the first run)

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How can i stress it more....we need 10 point frames

Edited at 16:25 Sat 27/11/10 (GMT)
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15:45 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Couple of minor carom changes went in this patch today.

1) Must hid red first from break (ie cushion first doesn't count)
2) More discrepancy for break placement (so more difficult to repeat breaks from choosing a particular pixel).
whocares8x8
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15:55 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
cheatlag still works
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15:58 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
'Cheatbreak' works in practice, so it should work in game too.
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15:58 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
mooney said:
'Cheatbreak' works in practice, so it should work in game too.

haha try it. i was miles off!
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16:00 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
haha yeah i use a different one though, right torres
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16:00 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Try it in a game you get 'must hit red before cushions'

In practice it says 'success'
whocares8x8
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16:00 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
yeah i actually tried it in game, and it gave me that message but i was also miles off lol
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16:01 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
cheatlag still works


What cheatlag? You are allowed to hit the side cushions as far as I know.

mooney said:
'Cheatbreak' works in practice, so it should work in game too.


Only fixed in game.
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16:01 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
nick said:
Couple of minor carom changes went in this patch today.

1) Must hit red first from break (ie cushion first doesn't count)
2) More discrepancy for break placement (so more difficult to repeat breaks from choosing a particular pixel).


Just to clear up confusion. Unless im just stupid.

Yeah, cheat lag needs to be prevented. If you make it so a maximum of 2 cushions can be used, then it will work fine.

Seeing as you can only hit top then bottom cushion. If you hit top, bottom, top then its a foul anyway.

And yeah, the breaks a success like mooney said in practice.

Other than that..good job
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16:02 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
will try it, if it doesnt work ive got a back up
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16:05 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
http://www.funkysnooker.com/thread/6777/carom-lag-shot/1

This is the official rules in taking a lag shot Nick;

Lag for break

This rule is used to determine which player gets to play the opening shot. Balls of same weight and size, cue balls or non-stripe object balls are shot by both players at the same time, one from the right and other from the left of the head spot, to the foot cushion and back to the head end of the table. The ball that is nearest to the head cushion is considered as the winner. The balls shot for lagging should touch the foot cushion of the table at least once. There are various shots that are considered as loss of lag like when the ball jumps out of the table, crosses to the opponents half, falls into the pocket or touches the long side of the cushion etc.

Meaning you are not allowed to hit the side cushion, if so, that is a foul lag.
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16:06 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Also just noticed the balls don't rerack in the same position.
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16:09 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Oh yeah haha! Press re-rack 3 times, it moves slightly every time

There are 3 different placements from the re-rack.

This could work though you know, because it must be pretty hard to recongize what of the 3 possible positions of your ball is going to be, meaning you can't hit the same place everytime.
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16:12 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
ty for the rules derry, was busy looking myself lol
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16:17 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
even if its on your own side?

1 thing i would like to request, is to be able to choose what colour to practice with, and it doesn't switch to the other colour when you miss, this will give you the opportunity to practice the breakoff with yellow instead of only white.

what you think?
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16:29 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
i wouldnt care if it hits your own side.
as long as it can't cross to the other side of the table, no cheatlag is possible
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16:42 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
See rules posted above:

karlos said:

I'm also posting LAG rule:

Official Rules : http://billiardsystems.com/gamerules.php

4. Lagging for the Break Position. (1) Each player selects a cue ball, which is placed on the table within the head string and the head rail, and then strokes the ball to the foot rail hard enough for it to return to the head rail. The balls in lagging may touch the side rails, though it is not required. If the two balls touch while being lagged, the player whose ball strayed across the center of the table will loose the lag. If a player's ball hits the red ball, or if the player's ball jumps the table, he will loose the lag. (2) The player whose ball comes to rest nearer to the head rail wins the lag. (3) The winner of the lag has the right to the break shot or to assign the break shot to the opponent. (4) The winner of the lag has the choice of cue balls, which is then used for the duration of the game.
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16:46 Mon 29 Nov 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
nick said:
See rules posted above:

karlos said:

I'm also posting LAG rule:

Official Rules : http://billiardsystems.com/gamerules.php

4. Lagging for the Break Position. (1) Each player selects a cue ball, which is placed on the table within the head string and the head rail, and then strokes the ball to the foot rail hard enough for it to return to the head rail. The balls in lagging may touch the side rails, though it is not required. If the two balls touch while being lagged, the player whose ball strayed across the center of the table will loose the lag. If a player's ball hits the red ball, or if the player's ball jumps the table, he will loose the lag. (2) The player whose ball comes to rest nearer to the head rail wins the lag. (3) The winner of the lag has the right to the break shot or to assign the break shot to the opponent. (4) The winner of the lag has the choice of cue balls, which is then used for the duration of the game.


but nick, what about this?

the player whose ball strayed across the center of the table will loose the lag

Very good first update / corrections ....its a very good start to improve carom loads

Edited at 14:53 Mon 29/11/10 (GMT)
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