you can't fight maths...

if you like mate i'll even whack on the two second divisions man u won

so that makes it 62 for liverpool and 61 for man u

now i haven't finished gcse maths and please correct me if i am wrong as i am only predicted an A but... is 62 not a larger number than 61?

If you wanna be nit picky about it I tell you what...

Liverpool didnt win 5 of their Charity Shields, they were drawn, but there wernt no Penaltys etc to determin an actual winner, so 5 of those were shared, so take them off because Liverpool didnt WIN.. Same with Man Utd, Man Utd shared 4..

So i guess its Even then isnt it.. till next season when Liverpool have another trophyless season Bless ya. Even Forest have won More Trophys than you in last 5 year

drawn as in both teams win it...

and johnstone paint trophy doesn't count i would'nt even put that piece of metal on my mantelpiece

That is because you support a premier league team, But too people who support lower teams like myself going to wembley for a cup final is a big as it will get for most lower league fans.

I know but he's telling me not to count 'crappy' tournaments and then he goes and says that Forest have won more than us recently by counting crappy tournaments so his logic is entirely messed up along with his maths

virt_slayer
89 trophies overall

77 from first team


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Funny how things change eh, Nice Maths. And Man Utd are still the most successful club in England And im so bored of this now so goodbye

im fairly certain that i literally just proved that man utd are not the most successful club in england

To be honest m_wood, i stopped listening to you when you said fergies 2 champions Leagues in 25 years at united were better than bobs 3 in 9 years. Didn't help when you said Fergie had won the UEFa Cup with Aberdeen. :\

Liverpool are the most decorated club in England.

Go to both clubs trophy cabinets (as I have done, some fabulous stuff in bot hof them) and count them for yourself m_wood instead of going on wiki and pasting false information from there.

You'll find more trophies in Liverpools than Uniteds however.

By the way, most knowledgable Mancs will tell you that they have won less trophies than Liverpool.

Fergie will have 2 aims left when it comes to Liverpool. To emulate Bob Paisley andwin 5 champions league titles (although in 3 times the years it took Bob of course...) and to win as many trophies as us.

Until he does it, he can get off our perch.

Aww i dont really care what Liverfool fans think Put yourselves on a pedastool as though your greater than everybody else when your not

Fergusons 2 Champs Leagues in 25 Years IS, thats right IS greater than Paisleys 3 in 9 years. Frankly Feruson getting to 3 Champions Leagues finals in 4 years is Greater than Paisley winning 3 in 9 years. And thats just something Liverfool fans wont accept naturally which is no surprise as its your team. It is a completly different era. Football has changed alot since Liverfool actually won things consistantly, its a totally difference animal, players are now athletes, the game is much quicker AND superior, and Fergie reaching 3 Champs League finals when Football is the best its EVER been is to be applauded and RESPECTED.

I dont need to go to the Trophy Cabinets as ive already PROVED Man Utd have won more. Do you really want me to Drag out Man Utds Lancashire trophys? All 9 of them? You Liverfools fans wont agree ever so its a pointless conversation.

Fergie can get off your perch hmmm
Last 5 years Liverpool have won Nothing
Fergie has won 4 Premier Leagues, 2 League Cups, 1 Champions League, not to mention the Finals he lost.

Oh, and that was also with him selling Tevez, Ronaldo and co.

No doubt you will reply with some nonsense. How about dont bother. Im bored with it, as is everybody else

Well in fact Paisley won 3 European Cups in his first 6 years.

Paisley won back to back European Cups - something Fergie will never do!

Paisley 3 in 9 years is greater than Fergies 2 in 25 years mate, and your making yourself look very silly to deny otherwise.

Is Uniteds 3 champions Leagues better than our 5 while we're at it? LMAO!

Is our 3 Uefa Cups better than their 0?

Your out of your depth fella, stick to Wiki and Sky.

You opitomise everything which is sad about the modern football fan - an ignorance of football pre premier league. Quite striking as your a Forest fan. Shame you seem to have lost pride in yourselves, probably why you accept the crap put in front of you by Billie Davis.

Rupert Murdoch would be very proud of you.

Edited at 12:02 Sun 12/06/11 (BST)

honestly this is boring me now who cares who is the better manager, glad im not a footy fan

They are not arguing or out, It is what happens day in and day out accross the country between Football Fans.
If its boring you stop reading it.

And M_wood 3 European cups in 9 years is better than gettin to three finals in four year no doubt about that.

i know max, i did enjoy it at first but when people keep going over same stuff for weeks then it takes its toll.

Your ignorrance is bliss Kop. Your looking very silly yourself to think football hasnt changed in 25 years when now its the hardest form of the sport to play as everybody is an athlete thesedays, not when your Mark Lawrenson was able to eat pies every week and have a few pounds on him, not to mention Man Utd are now competing with the greatest team ever to play the game, Liverpool ARENT competing at the highest level are they?

You wanna talk about stats fine

Is Man Utds 19 League titles better than Liverpools 18?
How about the FA Cups Man Utd have won more of too?
Oh and Charity Sheilds
Oh and Club World Cups
Oh and Cup winners Cups sigh

As for trying to bait me with the BILLY* not Billie, Davis team awww not all of us had Gilette and Hicks spalshing 200 million on rubbish and now your new owners spending over 70 million. Hardly a level playing field, and this coming from the guy who says Man Utd spend more hahahahaha

Shush now

Cap the thread Mods thank youuuuuuuu :)

From previous page.

Okay mich fair enough the last 19 years have been ours, but one thing is for sure they haven't been liverpools?

Thats why Liverpool fans only talk about the past because they cannot compete with the level of sucess united have had over the last 20 odd years, liverpool just haven't had that success recently.

Another thing before united won the league this year all liverpool fans talked about is 18, 18, 18 leagues, and now that we've over taken them its 5, 5, 5 champions leagues because they know were outdoing them, and because liverpool havent been even 1/2 as successful as united over the last two decades, they simply talk about the decade before that.

Only way to end this thread is to list our honours:

F.A. Cup Winners 1927
F.A. Cup Finalists 1925, 2008
F.A. Charity Shield Winners 1927
Algarve Challenge Cup Winners 2008
Division 3 (South) Champions 1947
Division 2 (League 1) Play-Off Winners 2003
Division 3 Champions 1993
Welsh Cup WInners 1912, 1920, 1922, 1923, 1927, 1928, 1930, 1956, 1959, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1988, 1992, 1993 Yes 22 times
European Cup Winners' Cup Semi-Finalists 1968
FAW Premier Cup Winners 2002

No contest

im fairly certain that beating sheep at football 22 times isn't hard

Cardiff win hands down!

ouch and you want me back