Bellamy has done more for Liverpool in the short amount of time he's been there than Suarez has ever done lol. He's good on the ball, but he hardly ever scores, which is why I'd say at the moment, he's overrated. He might not be that cocky but he comes across as being cocky whenever I've seen him play.

It's interesting to see that both of your current goal scorers are ex-Newcastle strikers. I've always liked Bellamy, and will always have respect for Carroll, even if he did leave us (which may or may not have been his own decision).
The way you're playing without Suarez in the team at the minute though is far better than when he was in the team.
I think you relied on him too much. At the minute you're playing more like a proper team.

Bellamy is a quality player, but Suarez is our one world class player. He isn't a natural finisher, no, but then again he isn't a striker. He is a number 10, he and Carroll should become devastating if they can form a partnership.

It is interesting how here in England anybody with an ounce of dribbling talent is seen as 'cocky'. Lmao. And for a man who barely scores, 136 goals isn't bad going seeing as he's just turned 25! He also got 49 in one season for Ajax!

Anyway, he is back at the weekend to bag the winner against Spuds then it is off to Old Trafford for him. Can't wait!

Also I don't know where you're getting this idea that we don't play as a team from! That is one of our main strengths!

Edited at 18:09 Thu 02/02/12 (GMT)

If anything Suarez is underated, people don't realise how good he actually is. It's impossible to not see what he does in games his movement and skill is class, he might not score many goals but he gives defenders a tough time every game he plays, creates his own chances most of the time and always creates plenty of chances for others, imo it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the goals in.

^^Thats what Suarez does to defenders all the time, once he starts banging the goals in he'll be up there with the best no doubt about it, already proven he can do it!

EDIT: Tevez named in Man Citys squad for the rest of the season, that came as a suprise, will be good seeing him play again tho!

Edited at 21:38 Thu 02/02/12 (GMT)

Well, FA announce they are stripping Terry of England captaincy for the second time. Isnt yet official but its enevitable.

I'm pleased Terry hasn't given up, stood down as captain.

Why the FA feel the need to do this I just dont no.

"Players cant respect him" was what I heard last time... and England were pathetic. Not saying Terry as captain makes the team better, but it just causes more unrest and performed even worse. Barry even had a go at captaincy in the world cup? When Gerrard came off? Or Jagiekla or someone rubbish. Speaks volumes.

Especially when this is all a load of nonsense.

I can't see Terry even really getting fined for this offence... its one man word against another. This case happens hundreds of thousands of times each year, and people in the position of Terry, alleged to of made a criminal offence... 97% of the time dont face prosecution.

I think Anton Ferdinand has no choice but to be a stubborn little fairy now, after making a scene of it he is probably lying through his teeth to try and gain respect.

Of course the FA won't consider that this happened just before the World Cup and we were pathetic...

*Checks to see if theres a major event upcomming..* Oh yes, the Euros. No wonder.

Pretty sure we are the fundermentle instrument in our failure as a nation. Look at every single thing this nation does and fails at.. seems to be our own fault.

Not proud to be British. <

It should make Terry better, he can concentrate on playing football rather than messing about with his armband all game.

As I've said this should have already been dealt with, don't see why England should suffer because of the actions of one man.

Get him into a court room, let him put his case forward and lets hear the verdict.

Then we can all enjoy a nice Summer of footie without the commentators talking about it none-stop.

That is the annoying thing with Suarez. I must have missed a third of the Liverpool V United game because they were obsessed with showing Suarez in the stands! Show the game, talk about what is happening to the ball! Nahhh look at this guys.... Suarez happy Liverpool scored. :OOOO.

Now we are going to have that all summer with Terry.

He shouldn't even be starting anyway, he's grim for England and not much better for Chewwwsea. Him and Rio should be left in England if Capello has anything about him. In their peak they weren't good enough, the thought of some of Europes attacking talent whizzing past them is scaring me already.

From the Bottom, Nor am Proud to be British but I am proud to be English!

John Terry is a leader, he is a natural Captain he does not deserve it to be removed! What annoys me Rio is happy to start in the back 4 next to the person who 'Racially Abused' his brother that's how much of a joke this whole thing is.

This whole situation is unreal, they need to just close the case call it a day and let Terry be free to concentrate on the Euros and League end of day I think he's innocent and Anton Ferdinand should just play Saturday break a leg and call it a day for even getting OUR main defender into all of this! (Ok abit harsh I will agree to that)

Also onto the most important thing of all..The upcoming weeks for Stoke!

16th February we take on the Mighty Valencia at the brit after they just drew to Barca i'm not so upbeat about this tie.

19th February (My Birthday) We take a trip down South to Crawley, I read 3 loss's in 3 years at home for them, United only beat them 1-0 and after them beating Hull they will definatly be going out for the win, Their Stadium holds 4,996 Stoke have been given 109 seated ad 1,396 Standing hopefully I will be 1 of them!

23rd February we take a trip across Europe to play Valencia at home, and unless we win 3/4-0 at home it's not going be easy

And song of the week:

WE'RE GOING TO VALENCIA YOUR GOING TO PETERBOROUGH
WE'RE GOING TO VALENCIA YOUR GOING TO PETERBOROUGH

GOARNNNN Derby

It's interesting to see you overlook Dirk Kuyt who has scored more recently than Carroll.

I think it is interesting the concept of captaincy in England. Abroad, the player with the most caps gets it. In England it is usually the most vocal or the best player.

I've always maintained that it means sweet F A.

All Terry is using it for is to keep messing with the band all game. Every time the camera is on him he his feeling it up. Leave it alone, John! We know your captain!

Should never have been given it back tbh, said that at the time.

And Christ Si! Why is it Antons fault? If Terry has said what he is being accused of, then he is disgusting, an embarassment to England. Interesting how you see Suarez as scum but 'Ingerrrrrland' captain JT as some sort of victim. There is certainly a lot more evidence that Terry is guilty than Suarez. Just have a look on YouTube you can clearly make out what he said and his case for defence is flimsy at best.

You sound like one of those idiots you find on the tele whos defence for all forms of abuse and ignorrance is 'political correctness gone mad!' Sugar me! in 2012 I think it's time to change. Terry can't go about the place saying those sort of things any more.

The world is starting to grow up.

Edited at 12:53 Fri 03/02/12 (GMT)

Very interesting indeed

Innocent until proven guilty, Same with Suarez he got found guilty so he is!

Also he works with black people example his good mate Ashley Cole, also Drogba and these players all have respect for him knowing he is not racist, and Suarez admitted to it aswel remember, but we don't know why he said it, it could even of been in the terms of

Anton: Did you just call me a ....
Terry: No I didn't call you a ....

All of this will come out tho, and I think it's extremly pathetic how we can't sort it out on the pitch let the FA settle it forget Court it's a joke!

But if they want to take the law onto the pitch, every fight I want see a £80 fine and a night in the cells the same as I get..If I do a racial remark I get a Criminal record I want them get the same and everything else they are not untouchable and I think if they want to act like this in 1 matter then they should in all of them.

I don't think John Terry can say 'I'm not racist, I play football with black men.'

Then the jury go "actually yeah he does, good point.'

It proves nothing. Suarez plays with black men, Glen Johnson has stood up for him, his grandad is black, but it means nothing. He can still be a racist.

Paulo Di Canio plays and coaches with black men. He is still a horrible racist scum bag though.

And yes footballers should live by the laws that we do, so I'm not sure why you are blaming Anton for getting Terry into trouble with the police just because he kicks a ball around for England.

What annoys me about it all is, they try so hard to get people into trouble where I live, if somebody is Racist towards you then you sort it out yourself no Police no papers etc Anton should of turned around and said forget it and spoke to him man to man and see exactly why he said it and if his response was not adaquete then take it further

Anyways let's get of this subject and think in your mind what is the perfect thing to have before you walk to a football match on a Freezing Saturday afternoon?

The case itself, is prosecuting JT as a racist.

He isnt a racist.

Its that simple.

Its not whether he used racist terminology.

Has any of you seen the Zeitgeist films?? Instantly I look at Zeitgeist, and think maybe whocares8x8 has watched it because he is German and Zeitgeist to me sounds as though he might be German. I guess I am a stereotypical person with old fashioned views I guess im a prejudice? Brand me it and put me in a court room...

This is what is happening with Terry. You cant be branded a racist off one remark. No matter how cynical the remark is..

Zeitgeist btw < Watch it. Mind blowing evidence and scientifically proven theories that goverments lie about, not lie... twist! and after you watch it you will see everything differently and see how corrupt the world is.

Terry's case is pretty solid I'd imagine. He was in defense of former team mate Marcel Desailly, Shaun Wright Phillips (QPR player) has defended Terry to the media... and he is anti racism. Even heard he was dating a black girl for 6 months in the past or something, which is also evidence he isnt racist.

What is the true definition of a racist? My dad is married to a black woman, and constantly shouts "racist remarks" at football players, tells racist jokes. Yet he loves his wife and his baby daughter.. who is also black.

To me, a racist is someone who targets someone, physically abuses them, sets fire to their houses and feels disgusted by a race.

Terry isnt that person.

Haha that picture!

First thing I saw was the can of coke and was like mmmm Cokeeee! Haha!

Then I saw the fried bread... sausages... bacon.. . jiiizzzs

Haha

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/oct/24/john-terry-anton-ferdinand-video?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3486

Also that is the link to the slow mo for Terry shouting at Anton...

Honest opinions of what you think is actually said? Because to me it seems like he doesnt say "Black" it doesnt look like he is wording the BL roll of the tongue...

Considering he is a cockney lad... it looks to me as if he is saying "Pikey"... the second part I cant really figure, except from Fricking ____ sounds like dosser.

Also on the first part, he makes 2 syllabels and the second part is an "eee" sound. So unless he has called him the short offense word meaning a pakistani then he is saying what I can only imagine to be pikey.

Deffo doesnt say the word black, thats for sure.

I would say from that video I am 75% sure he said 'black' don't think he said 'pikey' but I'm not sure I see the 'ck' part of black being said. But then again John Terry isn't known for his great skills as a speaker is he.

I've seen all the Zeitgeist films. Quite interesting, but a lot of it is conjecture.

What has it got to do with JT though, Derry?

By now Terry should have been found guilty or innocent, it needed to be sorted months ago, now we have to wait another half a year, and play a competition with it hanging over us.

The good thing about the Suarez case is it is now over, and can get back to playing football. Of course he is going to get abuse, but he's had to put up with that for years.

I don't think JT is a racist, but he can't go about saying racist things.

Edited at 18:42 Fri 03/02/12 (GMT)

Agreed here.
It's the same as with the Suarez case- I don't actually think Terry or Suarez are racists, but on that occasion they both used racial insults. Any insult that refers to ethnicity or skin color does not belong on the pitch or anywhere else.

I'm surprised no ones mentioned how good arsenal were yesterday. I know it was only against blackburn but the play was absolute quality theres not many teams better to watch when they are playing like that, van persie is unstoppable, Chamberlain is looking class no doubt he'll be somewhere else in the next 2 or 3 years.