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23:21 Tue 20 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Aye if suarez gets a 8 match man, You would think JT would get a 14 match ban police are involved and everything with that un.
cue_power
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00:08 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
they cant give Terry extra lol.

If Terry is guilty, then he should get the same. He shouldnt get fined 80 grand because he earns more than Suarez, he should not get an extra 6 game ban becuase of what? He is English? He plays for Chelsea? He has been sleeping with single women?

If Terry and Suarez both killed a man, Suarez shot him in the head and Terry burnt him alive, you would expect them to get the same punishment. Well I expect that anyway.

Plus the evidence was ovbiously pretty crippling, and Suarez was no doubt told to take what he got on the chin, otherwise punishment would of been more severe imo.
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01:46 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
What evidence? The only evidence was Evra's word. This won't happen the appeal is gonna take place and the FA are gonna be shown how stupid they are.
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04:48 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Based on Suarez's statements that he called Evra something that his teammates call him all the time and that is commonplace in South America, I think it's fairly clear he used a specific word that would get me banned on this site.
I'm sure he didn't realize at the time that using such words is a lot more offensive here than in South America. I lived in Venezuela for 4 years and played footie there- and yes, the crap they say there is sickening to standards in Europe and North America.
I doubt he'll say these things again, but I'm happy this was punished. Assuming Terry said similar things, he'll get the same ban I'm guessing.
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11:52 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
It's quite sad that the FA are using Suarez as a pawn in their political game with Sep Blatter.

Sep Blatter - shake hands

FA - 8 game ban.

Spot the difference.

Well they are similar in that they are both pathetic, but at least Blatter is a moron, whereas the FA are cynical and corrupt.

This needs to go to a real court rather than left in the hands of part-time politicians.

In a case where there is no video evidence despite trawling through the footages for days, where no single player on either side heard the alleged comment, none of the officials heard the comment, to come up with an 8 game ban should be shocking. So why did I predict they would come to this decision weeks ago.

I loved our clubs statement released last night. Backing our man 100%. Kenny still backs him 100%. Our players still back him 100%.

Our statement is really strong and well worded. Best bits being:

Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

e find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
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11:53 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.

It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.
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12:01 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.

I'm glad that the club has now recognised what we the fans have felt for years. That the FA quite simply do not like us.

The media coverage this has since received is a joke as well. Not sure what The Mirror is trying to achieve, but some of their headlines are a disgrace. They must know they Suarez will take them to court for slander for calling him a racist, when the FA and Evra have both determined that he isn't.

The worst thing about it all is that Suarez has used a term of endearment in his native land, and it is the racism and intolerance of the FA that has decided he should be their fall guy in their quest to see Blatter humiliated.

On practical grounds this could help us out. We will appeal so that he is available over the next month while the appeal is heard, when the FA fob us off again, we will go to a real justice system. In that time we will have bought another striker in January, Suarez will most probably of had his case dropped on lack of evidence, and we will have a better squad.

I'm just sad for Suarez, and given his reputation which the media have helped form, nobody is going to feel sorry for him. His loss of earnings will be huge.
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12:07 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
As for Terry by the way, the police are dealing with him.

Can't see him going to prison, and I cannot see the FA handing out further punishment.

He will get a weeks community service, and the FA will strip him of his captaincy, - again.

I highly doubt the FA will hand out a similar sentencing to one of their own. Though of course what Terry is alleged to have said was far worse, far more malicious and far less excusable.

But let's not pretend the FA have any credibility.
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12:13 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Last post but this gives you an idea of cultural differences:

When Luis Suarez joined Liverpool at the start of the year I wrote that he had the ability to shine in the Premier League but also that his fiery temperament would be put to the test.

He has given us more than I bargained for. An instant Anfield sensation, his exploits for Uruguay make Suarez beyond doubt the outstanding player in the world this year in terms of national team football.

In England, as expected, he has become the Liverpool player least likely to be popular with opposing fans but he has exceeded his own reputation for controversy.

It is news which has not gone down well in Uruguay. When the verdict was announced and published on the website of El Pais, the country's leading newspaper, the comments section was full of remarks attacking the "hypocrisy" and "pseudo-moralism" of the English.

When Suarez pulls on the sky blue shirt of his country he is part of a national team which has an unrivalled record of giving opportunities to afro-descendants.

Probably the most revered figure in the history of Uruguayan football is Obdulio Varela, captain of the side that won the World Cup in 1950. His nickname was "El Negro Jefe" - - the black boss.

Among Suarez's team-mates these days is Maxi Pereira, who is known as "El Mono" - the monkey.

Poor Luis has been stitched up good and propper.

As for JT we'll know by tonight what his punishment is. The timing is scarily convenient.

Edited at 10:17 Wed 21/12/11 (GMT)
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14:01 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Losing JT isnt a massive problem, we have a good set of defenders, any of which could replace him perfectly...

As for racism, i think what happens on the pitch should stay on the pitch... Its like a fat kid at school getting called fat, running (i use that term loosely) home and telling his mum and getting his mum to go to the school and demand punishment.... Its pathetic, zidane didnt get any sort of punishment outside of football yet he clearly committed an assault... Like i said, what happens on the pitch should remain on the pitch...
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16:31 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London, said: "I have today advised the Metropolitan Police Service that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence following comments allegedly made during a Premier League football match between Queen's Park Rangers and Chelsea on 23 October 2011. The decision was taken in accordance with the Code for Crown Prosecutors and after careful consideration of all the evidence I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case. Mr Terry will appear before West London Magistrates' Court on 1 February 2012."
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19:16 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
if I here another English "expert" saying that cultural differences are no excuse I might just punch my screen in.

Do these people realise that by saying "it doesn't matter how they do things in Uruguay, he needs to understand how we do things here" is more racist than anything Suarez has said!

Rubbishing an entire continents outlook on life, just because you don't understand it, solves nothing.
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19:33 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hope terry never plays for england again.

Steve kean If you walk away now you will make them blackburn fans look terrible (they already are in my opinion)
Lets face it they will lose against man utd and liverpool he will end up gettin stabbed if this carries on!
whocares8x8
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20:19 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
2good said:
if I here another English "expert" saying that cultural differences are no excuse I might just punch my screen in.

Do these people realise that by saying "it doesn't matter how they do things in Uruguay, he needs to understand how we do things here" is more racist than anything Suarez has said!

Rubbishing an entire continents outlook on life, just because you don't understand it, solves nothing.
Well no, when you're in a different country, you have to adhere to that country's standards. If you're in Uruguay, you can deny the holocaust. If you're in Germany and do the same thing, you will be arrested. Those are the laws and practices of the country.

If you drink in Saudi Arabia, you will be arrested. You can't just claim, 'in England that's not a problem... cultural differences and so on'. So yeah, I don't think it's an excuse at all to say in your country you do it differently.
whocares8x8
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20:21 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
As I said before and as pretty much everyone else has said, I don't think Suarez is a racist, but in this case he behaved in a racist way, so he got punished for it.
jack_pot
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21:28 Wed 21 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
2good said:
if I here another English "expert" saying that cultural differences are no excuse I might just punch my screen in.

Do these people realise that by saying "it doesn't matter how they do things in Uruguay, he needs to understand how we do things here" is more racist than anything Suarez has said!

Rubbishing an entire continents outlook on life, just because you don't understand it, solves nothing.


That's not racist at all. As Whocares stated, if he's in England, he has to go by our rules, and here, calling someone a "Negrito" is racist, and action should be taken.

If anything, he's gotten away lightly with an 8 match ban.
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00:06 Thu 22 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Negrito is not an English word. In English the word has no direct translation. It is essentially meaningless.

I don't think just because he said it in England, the English should judge a word which they have never previously heard before.

Just because the word began with N and described a black man doesn't make it racist.

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After watching the Wigan V Liverpool game, I feel like scratching my eyes out.

What a load of crap that was.

Not sure if Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing were being serious, or just turned retard for the match.
whocares8x8
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00:26 Thu 22 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
2good said:
Negrito is not an English word. In English the word has no direct translation. It is essentially meaningless.

I don't think just because he said it in England, the English should judge a word which they have never previously heard before.

Just because the word began with N and described a black man doesn't make it racist.
If that's what was said, it's obviously racist especially in the context of using it against an opponent who you've been scuffling with all game.
Players aren't stupid, they'll understand racist words, even if they're spoken in a foreign language. And the word is fairly similar to the English word lol. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what it means.

If he wasn't a Liverpool player, you probably wouldn't be justifying his actions.
I'm very happy a strong punishment was handed out and hope it will be applied consistently in the future for similar cases.
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01:18 Thu 22 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Their are many words to describe someone who is black throughout the world that begin with N.

What people are struggling to understand is that the word doesn't have a meaning in English.

It is a word that Chicharito Hernandez used earlier in the season to his ex-chivas team mate.

"I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs"

It is a term of endearment for South Americans. English folk should not be getting involved, telling South Americans that there descriptive words are racist. It is sheer arrogance.
whocares8x8
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01:20 Thu 22 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
No, surely Suarez wasn't using it as a term of endearment towards Evra? You're saying Suarez was only being nice to him? Come on.... I don't think Suarez has claimed that either.

Context is important. If two black people call each other certain words, it's one thing, because obviously it won't be used as an insult in that case.
Suarez is not black. He used the term towards a black person, which is, in the determination of Evra and the FA, racist. That's why he was punished.
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