Mate you're clutching at straws.

The FA said Suarez isn't racist. Fact

Evra said in his opinion he didn't think Suarez to be racist. Fact.

I have given you an example of another South American using the word, it doesn't matter if I called someone a racist word in a nice way does it? I'm still using racist words. The fact of the matter is that this is a common descriptive word for a small black person.

I think perhaps you have seen to many of those pictures the BBC keep putting up of Suarez looming over Evra and Evra looking all timid and sad.

The aggressor in most of the bickering was Evra. Like below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0cBtuFFqkY

Suarez didn't shout Negrito at Evra. He said Porque, Negro? A question. If it has to be translated into English it would come out as something like What? Little black man.

Now in England that is questionable, but in South America, it is the norm.

Also note, Luis Suarez' grandad was a black man.

The crux of the issue is that the FA were looking to score points over Fifa. Obvious to see, but this will be going to a real court, who unlike the FA have no score to settle with Sep Blatter, UEFA, Fifa and Liverpool.

Our owners have already won one court case to buy the club. I think they will easily make this 2-0. From that point on, Suarez should be free of all charges, and possibly able to sue the FA for defamation of character.

This will rumble on for months.

Edited at 00:48 Thu 22/12/11 (GMT)

Love this banter!

My thoughts on racism as I have already said, isnt saying nasty things to someone in a fashion Suarez or Terry have done.

Racism to me is a word of action. I don't take abuse by racism, I laugh at it. Im white yes, and what? I have black, asian friends that are incredibly racist to me. I believe there is more racist slurs against white people than any other. I have been to places and witnessed it.... but here, white people cant be racist because of the prats running the country.

In most other coutries around the world, if you ran up to a police officer, or phoned in and tried making a complaint saying someone had called me a "Negrito" they would laugh at you.

Here its taken far to seriously.

Both Suarez and Terry raised their voice, shouted and acted slightly aggressively. But there was no way that either of these players would of acted physically. Terry didnt shout at Anton becuase he was black, he was angry at him! So you arent banning him for being racist, you'd be banning him for being angry/saying something when he was fuming. We all say things in the heat of the moment.

Suarez's appeal will be successful. They were saying there is actually a rule under the European legislation that, and the British law, that one persons word against another isn't at all evidence. Its an allegation. Where nobody can be prosecuted.

Terry is on a screen swearing.. as if thats 'evidence'.

Both players will get fined.

On a better note! THIS! Ha! Watch this lads, happened the other day in the Dutch league... Some hooligan runs on the pitch and goes for the keeper. But the keeper floors him haha! Kicks him a few times and the ref... SENDS THE KEEPER OFF!! HAHAHA!

So the manager of the team, makes all his players leave the pitch ha!

This is better, but you dont see the fight haha!

You will need to edit that post re. Suarez/terry/evra Derry, you aren't allowed to discuss bans on the forum... .

If anyone is wondering why I havnt removed the words that have caused the trouble in any of the above posts, they have been stated as quotes and aren't being used offensively. In fact both 2good and cue_power are promoting mature discussions on the subject. If however anyone is offended by these words being used in the discussion please let me know and I will remove them. As this is a big current topic I would like the discussion on it to be allowed to continue if possible, but make sure it doesn't get out of hand.

Please remember that this site does not allow racism of any sort and anyone found guilty of this will get more than an 8 match ban.

Thank you.

Edited at 04:28 Thu 22/12/11 (GMT)

From the Express:

It is understood Evra was interviewed twice by the FA and shown video evidence from the game in helping him to put together his testimony. Suarez was interviewed just once - and that could constitute part of Liverpool's frustration.

He denied abusing Evra, but admitted using the word "negro" which, he says, is an inoffensive term in his native Uruguay.

Liverpool have called for Evra to be charged by the FA after he admitted abusing a member of Suarez's family during the game. But the FA have no plans to do so.

Again this does not matter. The incident occurred in England, not Uruguay, so English rules will be followed.

I'm not sure why the ruling is even being questioned. I think most people will agree that insulting words were said and that they included a reference to the opponent's color. Simple.

I don't believe Suarez is a racist, I think he behaved in a racist manner on this occasion, which is why he is being punished for it.

Edited at 10:06 Thu 22/12/11 (GMT)

Inadeqaute evidence for Saurez, he should win a successful appeal. I don't think there was malicious intent in what Saurez said, as we know in his background that isn't considered racist.

But obviously the FA are biased (ok maybe that comment was a bit too far - take it with a pinch) and took the word of their player as evidence, Yeah, real good logic that.

I think the end of Mike's post shows my above comment well.

please don't try to avoid the swear filter. thanks.

Edited by forum moderator adam_147, at 13:07 Thu 22/12/11 (GMT)

The thing is Suarez has been in the country less than 12 months. 10, when the incident happened. As Gus Poyet said, he struggled with our culture for years, but after so long began to understand what is and isn't acceptable. If England gives him time to adapt, he'll be fine.

Common sense would have been a warning and a suspended sentence. But that wouldn't have been a powerful enough message to Fifa.

He is set to appeal anyhow: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16295932.stm

Ah, maybe I missed a few things. The FA said that they found the charges proven. They haven't provided any details.

"The Independent Regulatory Commission will provide written reasons for its decision in due course setting out:
(a) the findings of fact made by it;

(b) the reasons for its decision finding the charge proved; and

(c) the reasons for the penalty."

Going by that statement, you guys are really just repeating what Liverpool released in their statement about no evidence etc. They would of course say that, since it's about their player.

If there isn't any evidence, I'm all on your side. But from what I've heard, he's admitted to the words he used, although he believes there's nothing wrong with using these terms?

^That was in response to mooney by the way.

liverpool you'll never walk alone. they should never walk again lol the muppets did me last night for 454.84 on a £20 6 fold and missed a pen

In response to comments about him only having been here 10 months, this is irrelevant. The legal ruling that 'Ignorantia juris non excusat', meaning ignorance of the law does not excuse, holds. Someone accused in court cannot escape liability by claiming they didn't know what they were doing was wrong. The fact of the matter is, he chose to come and work here, therefore he is expected legally to know what he can and can't do.

Mike, take the tinted glasses off mate!

Can't right now, Jay. Watching Harry Potter and the deathly hallows part 2, in 3D!

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Edited by forum moderator adam_147, at 13:46 Fri 23/12/11 (GMT)

Not sure what was said above.

I urge everyone to click this video though, and watch just how Sly Sports operate:



and another:



Edited at 05:27 Fri 23/12/11 (GMT)

Yeah, last I heard, the manager took his players off because they weren't safe anymore.

Several players have been sent off in the past for messing with hooligans. Although this is the first time I've seen a player actually attacked. The previous red cards I saw were players aiding the security people in bringing the player down. This was more self-defense (although the two kicks were probably not really needed lol), which is why the red has been rescinded.

By the way I wasn't promoting racism in my above post. God knows why Adam thought that. I posted a really funny picture of Suarez.

Brilliant.

1) What I dont understand is that, all these red cards given by Refs... have ALL be revoked by the governing FA's.

So my question to that is.. why are the ref's giving these players red cards?

The Dutch FA are even going to allow the rematch I think as well as revoking the match. I know all the players left but hey.. I would of done the same. Even if it was Chelsea v Tottenham yesterday and it happened, knowing that we will probably get screwed and so would the paying fans, but I would do it on principal and the larger % I reckon would agree it was justified.

2)This is so extreme this racism bant. If this was outside of sports, Suarez wouldnt be punished. As Luis is non-european and been in the country less than 18 months, this country deems him "still adaptapting".

"As our nation cant discriminate against another, by claiming our justice system to be correct" Or something.

Its the same as our country (Christan, Catholic etc) cant 'prevent' people of British or foreign origin from practicing or preacher another religion.

So basically, there is a really big problem with UK for outsiders of Europe. They can literally do what they want and the consquences are somewhat avoidable.

I might be completely correct or accurate here but this is how I have read it.