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joeyy
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22:03 Mon 1 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
hmm I see your point with the one week deadlines
if we want essentially one fixture starting and finishing each week why not have it rolling so each fixture is released each week but get 2 weeks to play, like this

week 1
fixture 1
week 2
fixture 1
fixture 2
week 3
fixture 2
fixture 3
week 4
fixture 3
fixture 4

It means people can be off for a week and still play 2 fixtures but would spread out the deadlines as one each weekend instead of it being 2 on one weekend
whocares8x8
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22:04 Mon 1 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Can we wait and actually see how it works before we write it off? We're not even on deadline day of the very first week yet...
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22:26 Mon 1 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
lol yer we should give the current setup a go to see if it works.. seems ok to me
vixen_xox
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05:29 Tue 2 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I actually like the one week fixtures, the longer deadline made people auto think 'It's ok I have such and such amount of time to play it' and games were still going to default because the last 2 days were some mad rush, which is going to happen either way if people don't make an effort to get their games arranged when the fixtures are released. If everyone's agreed their own clan has 6 reliable players, with 4 subs it should be easy, and an ample amount of time.
dgeneratio
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20:36 Fri 5 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
True if 7 days doesn't work then a suggestion could be have a 10 day deadline overlapping like the Super league on pool
whocares8x8
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02:14 Sat 6 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
One default in the first fixture set.
vixen_xox
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03:56 Sat 6 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
One default in the first fixture set.


I really think a one week deadline is more than ample time for 6 people to arrange and play one game each, if everyone arranges their game as soon as possible after the release of the fixture. I think it will actually reduce the defaults because people might shift their butts and play as soon as they can rather than thinking 'bah I got 2 weeks for this'.. Peoples reluctance is all to do with their clan member inactivity, again 4 subs is more than enough, and if people don't have the substitutes then that's because their clan is 'filled with reliable and active members' so that answers itself.
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10:52 Sat 6 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
It's more than ample time for people that spend most of there life on here yeah, but for people who can only play a few times a week it isn't. I get my games done asap but don't play weekends and not always available to play 4 nights a week so It certainly isn't ample time for me and I'm sure It won't be for a lot of other people If the 1 week deadline stays all through the season.

My opponent has been off 3 days which is going to leave 3 days to get the game played with still nothing arranged, you just can't afford to have a few days off with 1 week deadlines, a lot of people have lives and can't possibly be on here 7 days a week so It's a bit ridiculous imo.
buckjam
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15:17 Sat 6 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I agree with fuunky. Cant see the point in cramming games into 1 week. I never thought that the 2 weeks was a problem. Just the amount of players not being available to get all the games played. I still think the killler games should be offset by a week so that it frees up that busy final couple of days for other matches. I think as well it means that some of the matches could be rushed just to get them played. Seems a shame that the quality of some of the big matchups could be affected because of that.
vixen_xox
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22:27 Sat 6 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
It's more than ample time for people that spend most of there life on here yeah, but for people who can only play a few times a week it isn't. I get my games done asap but don't play weekends and not always available to play 4 nights a week so It certainly isn't ample time for me and I'm sure It won't be for a lot of other people If the 1 week deadline stays all through the season.

My opponent has been off 3 days which is going to leave 3 days to get the game played with still nothing arranged, you just can't afford to have a few days off with 1 week deadlines, a lot of people have lives and can't possibly be on here 7 days a week so It's a bit ridiculous imo.


That's why I pointed out that with the clan reduction and only 6 games 4 subs is MORE than enough, nobody said you have to be on here 7 days a week and I don't think a one week deadline means everyones going to have to give up their jobs and families. Considering there were less defaults in the first one week fixture than there was with 2 week deadlines (bearing in mind it was the very first friendly fixture and a lot of people were still finding their feet) the statistics kinda speak for themselves. If there's issues with getting games played due to someones inactivity that's where the 4 subs come into it.
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11:25 Mon 8 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Oh so because the first fixture went well that means It's a success? The statistics don't speak for themselves as 1 week proves absolutely nothing, I'm guessing now that people have found there feet there should be no defaults at all this set

How's this second fixture going so far, 4 days into a week fixture and you've played 1 game, seems like It's going well

I think a vote might be the best option as there's only you and someone else who's posted that they like the week deadlines
m_wood
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16:59 Mon 8 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Personally I would revert back to the 2 weeks to play games, as for my personal standpoint, there is less pressure to play the games, and if someone is offline 3 days and logs back in, but then their opponent is offline 3 days, its a struggle there

So i would revert back to 2 weeks

But i think this should go to a Vote for fairness
vixen_xox
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19:04 Mon 8 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Oh so because the first fixture went well that means It's a success? The statistics don't speak for themselves as 1 week proves absolutely nothing, I'm guessing now that people have found there feet there should be no defaults at all this set

How's this second fixture going so far, 4 days into a week fixture and you've played 1 game, seems like It's going well

I think a vote might be the best option as there's only you and someone else who's posted that they like the week deadlines


It would go equally as well if it was 2 weeks when people don't shift their backsides and get their games arranged instead of sitting and waiting for it to land at their feet at their convenience. And it was pretty much the same in the first fixture, 48 hours left and everybody suddenly rushed to get it done. Which is exactly what happened with the 2 week deadline also, hence my original point. My players are active and available (And funnily enough, all have lives, I'm sure) if there is inactivity in an opposing clan that isn't the fault of the people who are ready and waiting. The point is these issues arise whether it be 1 or 2 weeks. Some kind of common ground between the two may be the answer, like someone pointed out how it's done over on pool, but the underlying issue of the defaults doesn't change.
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10:26 Tue 9 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
So where is the benefit If It's just the same? If games keep getting left till 48 hours before deadline throughout the season there will be a lot more defaults imo

It would be nice to see what everyone else prefers, rather than you speaking for your whole clan and no one else posting.
vixen_xox
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13:07 Tue 9 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
So where is the benefit If It's just the same? If games keep getting left till 48 hours before deadline throughout the season there will be a lot more defaults imo

It would be nice to see what everyone else prefers, rather than you speaking for your whole clan and no one else posting.


I'm not speaking for anybody other than me, anybody in my clan is entitled to their own opinion and I'm fairly certain not all would agree with mine, but nobody else has said anything, and they're all ready and willing to play their games as and when needed. I have my reasons for my preference the same as anyone else has their reasons for their own. If you don't agree that's your prerogative I'm well aware the majority of people prefer the 2 week deadline, it's not going to change the way I see it. It's a discussion thread for people to express their opinions over the layout of the league, I'm not going to sit here arguing over a difference in opinion because it's pointless, you see it your way, I see it mine. I'm not strictly against the 2 week deadline, I just prefer a shorter time period, whether it be 7 or 10 days, it's more for the psychological aspect, last season started to become a disaster toward the end especially regarding killer, and when people think they have less of a time cushion, they feel a little more compelled to make an effort.
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13:32 Tue 9 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Fair dos. I wasn't arguing with you just wondering where the benefit of it is If nothing's changed. I don't think It's got anything to do with the deadlines, the problem is the players captains sign, there's 2 many unreliable players and not enough reliable ones, but nothing can be done to solve that as the site is that dead.
adam_147
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22:53 Tue 9 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I think as well that trialling it with a midweek deadline isn't giving a fair reflection of how it would be. The majority of games are played at weekends normally because that's when people have the time. Personally I much prefer it as it is now, and for those people saying what if a player is off 3 days... make a sub. This way it makes it more of a team effort because more subs will be used in games so it requires more strength in depth in a clan.
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00:34 Wed 10 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Why should a player be penalised for been offline a couple of days just because half a dozen players prefer a shorter deadline? I'm offline at least 3 days a week but never have any problems getting games done with a 2 week deadline, so with 1 week deadline If I'm offline a couple of days I should be subbed out? Lol yeah very fair that is.

The fairest way is to have a vote, then whatever the outcome no one can complain.
whocares8x8
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00:43 Wed 10 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
^If you are known to be reliable and that you'll be back in time, your captain wont need to sub you out.

Either way, players tend to leave the organisation of their games until close to the deadline. Most of the defaults we got over the last few seasons involve players who only started messaging (if at all) at the most 5 days before the deadline.
It will be similar with a 1-week deadline. There are a few advantages and disadvantages with both systems.

What I do like about it so far-
-It separates the killer games a bit, so teams that leave them to the default time don't have to play two on the same Sunday.
-There is less of an excuse to leave inactive players in the lineup and even on your team. Shorter deadlines are a real incentive for captains to only pick active players!
-Players that get games done quickly wont have to wait two weeks for their next game.

I do see that there is a bit more pressure to get them played. If things go wrong, like a player can't make the arranged time for a legitimate reason, then there is not a lot of time to rearrange or compensate.
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00:55 Wed 10 Dec 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yeah I know what you mean Seb, I always try and get mine played soon as possible but some players on pool did used to refuse play in the first week because they didn't like playing there games 2 early, with a week deadline more people will probs leave there game till the last couple of days. I just can't see how it will cause less defaults, I think it will cause more If anything but we'll see.
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