I know, ... next problem is team lists for next set lol unless you inbox one of your guys to do them .... but point is, if you were not here, whos running it etc

Then we do their part of the default and the team who send no info gets 0 points but we expressed this for last few seasons so their isn't much excuse for no one in that team to send in any information.

If players can't be bothered to send in the information then its not our problem as runners aren't expected to check threads (although we do normally).

Long as information is sent you should be fine

I think its fine on deadline day but normally permission is required although any player of the relevant clan can post a sub and it would stand.

Hopefully Rich or Davey can send them in but if not i will just use last fixture (set we are in currently) teamlist.

If anyone was removed since i would go down team alphabetically according to site

^ goes for other teams too

Then the system u have is completely wrong in my opinion. I always liked how defaults are done on pool, cause despite the info sent from both parts, the league runner himself can judge the activity of both players involved in the fixture. That makes a more realistic outcome from the default. But of course the league runner should be unbiased, and in this case chris is.

So your saying were biased because we don't check threads for clan related activity and don't use it for the default?

If clans are too lazy to send in information then why should we award them any points, defeats the purpose of a defaults team in my opinion.

I agree you deserve the points this set against some clans but until we see that information then it will be zero.

In the 16 odd seasons on here, we had few arguments in terms of a default result (can't remember the last time).

I must admit chris is doing a great job on Pool and it has had less arguments since he took charge but the current system works here and personally i don't see why runners should trawl through pages of clan threads when a member of a clan can post them to a runner.

So lets suppose this scenario:

clifton v i_am_blessed

Tyler can be on in one day and try to play the game, though cliffy cant play that day (but was available almost every other day of the fixture). The game doesnt get played.

DD send their info by saying that they tried to play the game in that particular day.
NA send no default info because we dont want to.

Does that mean that DD win the default? If so thats not good, it can result in a farced league, by giving undeserved points to certain team.

At best it would be 1-0 to DD but most would argue that Tyler would be available one out of the fourteen days which is equivalent to one message so might also be 0-0.

NA would have to send in information as we don't know how active players are and we don't know effort involved.

We can't check everyones activity, it is impossible without Janmb's activity tracker which showed users Browsing, In Game and Offline at the exact time which was useful!.

Effort wise we can't prove that either except by a post on the thread which runners may miss.

Also the quality of the message comes into play when deciding defaults as "Can you play now?" isn't as good as "My available times are 8pm-12am each night".

If we had the activity tracker back then it could be used in default decisions but until then its based on trust of the information players send in

It doesn't take much effort from a player to send in default information

What seems farcical is not wanting to defend your players position and your points in that position.

Why would you, in any circumstance, " not want to"?

Well let me tell u i dont like defaults being done this way. Last season i got a 0-0 in the default i had just because i wasnt on in the two days that default infos were required. I had messaged my opponent and i was sure i could have won that default. This default system really needs to be changed.

maybe because youre not online while default infos are sent?

If thats the case, send it in early, theres no requirement to send it exactly on those two days as long as it isn't sent early in the first week when games could be played.

So can i start sending default infos now?

Well runners shouldn't be expected to check through pages for info when players can do it themselves. Chris might do that but i don't want to go through 40 pages of threads if i find nothing.

Current system works and rarely had a complaint

Edited at 16:59 Fri 09/01/15 (GMT)

If you want, doesn't phase me as long as info is sent, i don't care when as long as its before the deadline Seb sets for that info.

If you send it too early though then clans could accuse you of playing for defaults although in this case it looks inevitable, would take a miracle for them to be played now.

I did try my best by messaging them on Facebook but only Nicko decided to respond.

lol why are you all arguing about hypothetical default situations...

Default info can be sent in at any time during the fixture.

If teams can't send in default info, then we cant tell if they tried to get games played. A player can be on every day but not make any effort at all to get the game played. That player deserves 0 points. Therefore, we need default info to judge anything.
If I make a judgement on activity like you described on pool, I will know a lot more about those people with good rank or friends of mine. So while I will think I'm making an unbiased decision, it will in fact be completely biased, because I have a good idea about what clifton's activity is like, but I have no idea how often ripped_rank is online. So no, I don't like that system at all.
Teams can send in default info on time. They have 2 weeks.

Grey area. Ideally, you can just get their player that's online to post the sub, that avoids all trouble.
For now, what you mentioned is possible, but if the other team ends up protesting after the game, we have a problem. Let's try to avoid that.

You failed to send in default info beforehand. Apparently, your captain failed to send in any default info as well. Remember, default info isn't only messages- it also includes other things like posts about the game (captains can send those) and other statements about the effort. Nothing was sent in if the score was 0-0.

How are we supposed to tell you made any effort? Activity itself doesn't mean you tried to get the game played.

As a special bonus, here are the comments that were posted in the discussion about your default at the time:

"No info from either team, no messages or anything, 0-0."

"0-0 as no info, its a shame though as eri is active and could have gained more points"

"0-0 impossible to give anything when we received nothing..lol"

How could i sent the info while i wasnt online on the days it was asked? I didnt know Icould send the info before the deadline passed

Myself and imran are listed as vice but I know immy doesn't do it , I'll do team lists and send them to seb I'll be able to play from next week again anyway , I've been left in the lurch here and on pool