I'm sorry, i may be missing something...

but why the heck do people need to know why others were banned?

without a huge english class essay, can you like list the points why people need this list?

(like this)
- it would make spinner happy
- it would make farren happy

there the only 2 reasons i can think of why this is good

Good idea Brighteyes

Reasons for displaying a list of recently banned usernames and reasons :

* Eliminates rumours and "why did whoever get banned?" threads.

* Eases pressure on staff so lets them get on with other things.

* Acts as a deterrent to potential rulebreakers.

* Positive impression of site for new users/parents etc.

Thank you spinner


Reasons Against displaying a list of recently banned usernames and reasons

-Gives the impression of naming and shaming

- Tarnishes the reputation of any users who may be un-banned at some point in time.

-May lead to abuse to that user via msn or to that users close friends

-May lead to an increased amount of harassment towards admin for banning choice

-Would be an incredibly long list, which might deter new users from joining

- Would continue to discuss both the users and their actions that we have deemed not welcome on this site

-Changes current system, may cause a bit of disapproval by members

-May get pretty sloppy, with a massive amount of banned users and sometimes multiple banning reasons

-No need to further discuss immature users who aren't welcome on the site

Its not naming and shaming because the evidence is clear and the user is banned. Gone.

I have never known a user unbanned. At some point someone may be allowed on with another username however as Farren said, if they make it known who they are, they are at fault, not the site. (just as they were at fault for getting banned in the first place)

It is vital to remember that these users bring this on themselves. Would you not rather know what a "friend" was really like?

Why protect perverts and racists?

It would eliminate questioning of decisions because the reason would be there for all to see.

As stated before, this would be a list of recent bannings only. Only the last 10 cases for example.

A big part of the reason this is requested is to eliminate discussion of these users. With the reasons displayed, there's nothing to discuss.

Spinner people are curious creatures, no matter what we do they are still going to ask questions. they are going to ask what the user did, what they said, etc etc. this isn't really going to solve anything but fix the focus on something else.

i've said my opinions and i really think this is a bad idea and is not needed, but i'll let the discussion carry on as usual

oh and while you're at it, since we're catering to the curiosity of our users..we might as well post everyone's ip addresses and other accounts. as well as all their mod actions...

its their own fault isn't it??

lol brighty i think thats going slightly to far. look i am personally in favour of it others arn't so i cant see it ever ever happening. why dont we just leave it at that?

Was wondering when that would come up

Thing is, moderating actions are known (boot reasons, cheating resets etc) the only disciplinary action not viewable is the banning reason.

This inconsistancy alone is a valid reason for including it.

Can you honestly say you think its fair for people to be publicly named for swearing or cheating, but we should protect racists?

Those other items are clearly an invasion of privacy. Displaying a banning reason is helping to protect it.

Listing multiple accounts is an invasion of privacy, yet listing ban reasons is not. Now you've got me all confused.

That inconsistency is NOT a valid reason for including it. You're just trying to make it that. If anything, why not do something like display "player booted" to the public and "booted for offensive language" to the person who's been booted.

I'm used to debating with you spinner, and i know full well you'll stomp your heels because your always right..

And for boots, they are not "publicly named" we don't post up a list on the forums saying why everyone is booted. We don't show anything but the obvious.


"Displaying a banning reason is helping to protect it" really now...how in the heck can you think that makes sense...

I'm still amazed by you spinner, and don't be flattered.

And i still go back to my main point. Obviously we have different definitions of naming and shaming. I always thought it was when you put someones name up, and publicly shame them for doing something wrong. And to me, thats exactly what you're doing with a ban list.

i have to agree here,
naming and shaming is not allowed, and also spinner m8, you need to take a step back and look how many people are against this, you are well out numbered here, accept defeat like a man and admit that you are wrong for once, ive been told not to say what happened to me, so why should you have the right to try and make this rule be changed????????

being banned is a strong enough punishment, without trying to humiliate the member aswell, seems like bullying to me!

Your not a bully are you spinner?

In my eyes this discussion has reached its climax now

Yes this thread needs to be locked.

Why cap such a productive thread! This is exactly what the forums are for

One thing is confusing me - why is it being made like if this were implimented it would be something bad done by me or the site.

People who are banned have absolutely no-one to blame but themselves.

Drunk_lass was the one who completely validated this for me earlier in the thread when she rightfully said that the reasons always come out anyway.

This idea would increase the privacy for banned members because the reason for banning would be displayed immediately, so therefore no possibility of naming and shaming exists because the accurate reason decided upon by the user themself is displayed.

That is the big difference. Naming and shaming is when false accusiations are made by one member against another.

This is the proposed displaying of information decided upon by the named member themself.

The number of people who request information (as verified by Farren), compared to the number who have complained about cheating/booting reasons being displayed (none as far as i am aware) is a nice statistic.



Forgot to answer specifically there, but the difference between a reason for banning and ip addresses etc is obvious. A banned user is just that. banned. there would be zero personal information released, only username and reason. Therefore no invasion of privacy is possible.

This has been a productive debate so far, lots of new ideas since last time. my opinion is now completely changed on the permanent displaying of information (which was thought to be a good thing before)

its just another little thing that gets brought up now and again. its not like anything will be changing soon.

Edited at 17:09 Tue 3/07/07 (BST)

Wow mad thread, got well outta hand, best thing to do is cap it and delete it

There is no need to cap or delete it. This is one of the few threads that has gone well in my opinion. There is a good debate going on without any aggresiveness.

What??

Oh please just capp it!