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10:37 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
I wish this would take place soon as i wont go for a new high rank for a bit if it will be re-set. Also i think its going to take a few months for rankings to fully equilibrate down to the new level.

Edited at 16:39 Wed 24/12/08 (GMT)
toontomh
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10:37 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
arcadia said:
toontomh said:
toontomh said:
and would be even better if it was the case that there was a set table with the top maximum ranks on from before the update.


Basically that then?




As I said - good arguments being made on either side

I just elaborated on yours with an idea for a name plus it would not be a 'set table' - it would update if any one did manage to break into that all time top 10 under the new scoring system.


Ahh but it wouldn't, that would go on the table for the current ranking scheme, while the other table would be for the old scheme and therefore unless that was re-introduced, would stay the same

That's the way I'd see it working anyway...
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10:55 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
virtuoso107 said:
I've stayed out of this debate thus far because I really didn't know what to think, however after reading darr_carrs post for me it's been made clear.

With the new ranking system I think the maximum ranks should be reset. I was once 994 as many of you know but and I reset does this mean you have forgotten I was at 994? No, and neither do I think people will forget ste_efc's 996 if it was to be removed. Sean_paul also hit 996 and everyone still remembers that and that was before the maximum rank!

What difference does it make if your maximum rank isn't on the leader-boards anymore, does this mean you didn't achieve it?



To be honest i forgot about you getting that, obviously i know you got it but it still took a reminder. As i said in previous posts it won't matter to most of use as most have never got 990 plus, but i really wouldn't know what to do if this got removed. Personally i think it's stupid getting rid of it, hopefully Nick changes his mind.
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10:56 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yes, i know where people are coming from and how annoyed they would be about the ranking reset, but you could just simply put a comment on ya profile saying ya reached the rank before the new ranking system, and ste you have a thread about it, so you could just post the link on ya profile like lyle has to prove he hit 996 before.

Ive got one of the highest ranks on orig, and this max ranking reset wouldn't bother me, i would think its just another challenge to get high again.

And as for the personal digs, can you stop it all, you all know the rules but you seem to just ignore them, posting rights will be removed and all of you should know it.
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11:01 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
damee said:
Yes, i know where people are coming from and how annoyed they would be about the ranking reset, but you could just simply put a comment on ya profile saying ya reached the rank before the new ranking system, and ste you have a thread about it, so you could just post the link on ya profile like lyle has to prove he hit 996 before.

Ive got one of the highest ranks on orig, and this max ranking reset wouldn't bother me, i would think its just another challenge to get high again.

And as for the personal digs, can you stop it all, you all know the rules but you seem to just ignore them, posting rights will be removed and all of you should know it.


Damee they were forgotten about until you brought them back up!

It's not about personal glory i just think it's false to change it as who ever will be top when they change know they aren't really the highest ever ranked player.
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11:08 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
well they might be the highest ranked ever, how would we know. Since the number 996 is just a nominal number, we have no way of comparing the two statistics, which is why a re-set is necessary.
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11:23 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
damee said:
Ive got one of the highest ranks on orig, and this max ranking reset wouldn't bother me, i would think its just another challenge to get high again.


Obviously it wouldn't bother you as you're fourth in the rankings!
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11:29 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
I got the wrong end of the conversation from first glance, but I just realised you want everybodys rank on either arcade orig and regular all to be reset is that correct?

If so I think its really a stupid idea I am not a high rank nor am I one of the best and I don't think I will be either, can't people just be happy getting 950 or whatever and not be upset that they are not top of the table face it ste, lyle and everybody else who apears in the top of the table truly deserve to be there and stay there, it should not be changed let it run free and you are all forgetting ste_efc did have around a 57 unbeeten match run to get to the top of the table so its not exactly like he got handed him on the plate!!!
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11:31 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
toontomh said:


Ahh but it wouldn't, that would go on the table for the current ranking scheme, while the other table would be for the old scheme and therefore unless that was re-introduced, would stay the same

That's the way I'd see it working anyway...


I think we will have to disagree on that one then - an 'all time highest ranking' table as opposed to a 'highest ranking' table would be just that in my opinion - the highest scores achieved under any scheme at any time. The two should exist side by side.

pieceofpig said:
well they might be the highest ranked ever, how would we know. Since the number 996 is just a nominal number, we have no way of comparing the two statistics, which is why a re-set is necessary.


Totally agree with all that however you don't just wipe records and stats completely simply because the playing conditions have changed. Most sports I can think of have evolved over time so that the playing conditions now bear no resemblance to those of years ago but you dont see those records expunged completely. A Hall of Fame is exactly that. It recognises 'all time' achievements.
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11:56 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Okay then, lets say i get 985 with the new ranking scale, i could complain and say they did it with an easier ranking scale, how would you feel if that happened? Not happy im sure of it.

And anyway, don't you think you can get the highest rank again if they got reset?
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12:01 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Well there wouldn't be any complaining if it stayed as it is......
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12:04 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
ste_efc said:
Well there wouldn't be any complaining if it stayed as it is......


ay men to that

I got to agree with ste again LEAVE THEM why change something thats not broken?
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12:09 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Well it is broken in a way, as its a false indication, as you have NOT achieved the ranking using the new scoring system. However i see no problem why another table with the max rankings from before the new ranking system. That would solve it. But you can't keep it as it is.

And people would complain if it stayed the same you know they would!
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12:10 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
im sorry can you guys not see damees point. they will be broken. if i win 50 games in a row agains ta virtuoso and dont get the highest rank i will be dissapointed. i would complain. that is when they will be "broke" and it will be too late
toontomh
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12:36 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
arcadia said:
toontomh said:


Ahh but it wouldn't, that would go on the table for the current ranking scheme, while the other table would be for the old scheme and therefore unless that was re-introduced, would stay the same

That's the way I'd see it working anyway...


I think we will have to disagree on that one then - an 'all time highest ranking' table as opposed to a 'highest ranking' table would be just that in my opinion - the highest scores achieved under any scheme at any time. The two should exist side by side.


Ahhh I wasn't on about an all time one, but just like say the max ranks got re-set now, then the current rankings (Just top 10) could be left as a table on each different page for each different game under "Old ranking scheme maximum rankings" or something like that...

BUT I think yours would work better

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12:36 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
After reading through this, I thought I'd express my opinions on this.
By the way, some people asked why Nick thinks it should be changed. Well someone on Pool complained about it on Game Queries (Pool's forum).
Also, yes I think it's unfair this is being changed. But I don't think Nick will change his mind unfortunately and we are going to have to get used to it.
Ste, I know how you feel, I've been there and done it. However, it was when the Max Rankings was introduced in my case. I complained that since lots of people had seen my rank, that it should be put on Max Rank. But it wasn't allowed and I was gutted. This is how it will be for you I'd think.
As much as I hate to say it, Darr_Carr is absolutely right on this occasion, and I think this is the only way that the rank can be even (unless we change the Regular rank)
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15:13 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
virtuoso107 said:
I've stayed out of this debate thus far because I really didn't know what to think, however after reading darr_carrs post for me it's been made clear.

With the new ranking system I think the maximum ranks should be reset. I was once 994 as many of you know but and I reset does this mean you have forgotten I was at 994? No, and neither do I think people will forget ste_efc's 996 if it was to be removed. Sean_paul also hit 996 and everyone still remembers that and that was before the maximum rank

What difference does it make if your maximum rank isn't on the leader-boards anymore, does this mean you didn't achieve it?


WELL SAID AND STE IM SORRY I WAS OUT OF ORDER I JUST GOT ANGRY CUZ U SED I DELETE IVE LEARNT MY LESSON

Edited at 21:13 Wed 24/12/08 (GMT)
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20:04 Wed 24 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
people like you do stuff like that .
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13:14 Thu 25 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Ste no more please.

Well anyway, i know where you are coming from that you don't want it completley took off, but you can't just simply keep it as it is, a good example like said before is if original lets say got reduced to 10 reds and the max break 107, yes its unfair for people who want the highest break and that's where an extra table with the 'old' ways would be added to show what was done before. IMO there isn't really another better alternative, keeping it as it is is totally unfair though.
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15:41 Thu 25 Dec 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
ste_efc said:
people like you do stuff like that .

look i said sorry what is ur problem?
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